PFT me. I need 25,000

[bobbysamd]

Getting a job the old-fashioned way . .

I don't think I could live with myself having purchased a job.

I certainly could not have, which is why I refused.

 

[labbats]

you don't need to pft. Its bad news. I'm in sim training now for the beech1900 and i'm afraid i won't make it through training. My 5th sim session and i still can't master the v1 cut, let alone keep the plane flying. i have a checkride tomorrow and they won't give me urther training. If you pay be prepared to be cut in traininf just like anyone else. don't do it.
any pointers for v1 cuts in the 1900 is appreciated. please help me.

Hi. This guy has 7 posts and is a troll. Why does everyone keep falling for this type of stuff? I already fell for something IN THIS THREAD.
We pilots are a gullible bunch.

 

[bobbysamd]

Flamebait

Hi. This guy has 7 posts and is a troll. Why does everyone keep falling for this type of stuff? I already fell for something IN THIS THREAD.
We pilots are a gullible bunch.

You're right. See my edited post above.

 

[The_Russian]

Holy poop.....

Originally posted by pilotyip:

But PFT still has a place for an experienced pilot to get additional MEL turbine hours to dressup their resume. Many have been successful following this approach.

10 people in my class of 20 at GIA have over 1000 hours including myself. We are doing the same.


It has a place and it is not up to this board to judge how a person goes about pursuing thier career. It is not about fairness, life is unfair, get over it.

Absolutely right. Some members on this forum, whether they are senior or junior, should take that advice.

Well said pilotyip.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Topgun,

how was the check ride?

 

[Dude]

To PFT or not to PFT....

I guess it could be argued either way, whether or not to PFT. Personally, I detest the practice and do not spare an individual from my opinion if asked regarding such things. Point is, work your a$$ off like everyone else and have some honest equity in your career.

I have flown with many that PFT'd their way to the right seat during good times and did a fine job, but that doesn't excuse PFT. Unfortunately, when you pay someone to work for them or just for the training you are setting an irreversible standard. Why should a company pay you or pay for the training when there are so many that are willing to do it for them?

There's no substitute for flying single-pilot IMC, in broken equip., in conditions you aren't comfortable with, long duty days (16+ hrs), saying no means your job, trying to cash a cancelled payroll check, having a payroll check bounce, flying an airplane that Orville wouldn't get into, being "laid off" because some low-time schmuck will do your job for less, and etc. Experience is the key. Without it, you have no credibility and are a hazard to other QUALIFIED pilots that earned their position through blood, sweat, and tears. Nothing is free, especially a career in aviation.

Make your choices wisely and have some integrity for the love of John. Work hard and the career will be all the sweeter. There's nothing more annoying than a 500hr pilot sitting in the crew lounge bitching when he is flying an RJ that he shouldn't even be in for another 2-3 years, if he had done it right.

I know it's quicker to PFT, but it's also easier to steal......doesn't make it right. Just my 2 cents.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Re: To PFT or not to PFT....

I guess it could be argued either way, whether or not to PFT. Personally, I detest the practice and do not spare an individual from my opinion if asked regarding such things. Point is, work your a$$ off like everyone else and have some honest equity in your career.

I have flown with many that PFT'd their way to the right seat during good times and did a fine job, but that doesn't excuse PFT. Unfortunately, when you pay someone to work for them or just for the training you are setting an irreversible standard. Why should a company pay you or pay for the training when there are so many that are willing to do it for them?

There's no substitute for flying single-pilot IMC, in broken equip., in conditions you aren't comfortable with, long duty days (16+ hrs), saying no means your job, trying to cash a cancelled payroll check, having a payroll check bounce, flying an airplane that Orville wouldn't get into, being "laid off" because some low-time schmuck will do your job for less, and etc. Experience is the key. Without it, you have no credibility and are a hazard to other QUALIFIED pilots that earned their position through blood, sweat, and tears. Nothing is free, especially a career in aviation.

Make your choices wisely and have some integrity for the love of John. Work hard and the career will be all the sweeter. There's nothing more annoying than a 500hr pilot sitting in the crew lounge bitching when he is flying an RJ that he shouldn't even be in for another 2-3 years, if he had done it right.

I know it's quicker to PFT, but it's also easier to steal......doesn't make it right. Just my 2 cents.

AGREED! And if you PFT you might be in Topguns shoes.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

The "new airline" is TabExpress airline. It is run by a flight school in Deland Florida. I have seen ads stating Airline Pilots were wanted, no experience required, only 7-10 months to devote to training. What a scam.

I think you pay around $60K for your ratings and then they pay you back after you have served three years as an FO.

Right now they have 1-2 1900s and they are always in the avionics shop at my airport.

 

[TopGun-MAV]

TAB EXPRESS airline is not what the ads make it out to be. the training is top notch and it's not paying for a job. if you don't meet the standards they will cut wou. i'm a qualified first officer for tab.

GO THE MAV!!!

 

[wheelsup]

The last figure I saw from TAB was approximately $95,000. Yeah. 95 big ones. Jesus. You're not buying a job, you're buying about 3 jobs. This is ab-initio from zero time to 500 hrs or so TT (not including unloggable sim time).

The "airline" they are starting has been pushed back from starting up last september/october to end of april (latest news). It just keeps getting pushed back. For the next 3 months, if you are 'accepted' into the program, you get reimbursed 3 years later your full training costs...however you cannot fail any of your 6 month currency rechecks etc. etc. I just can't believe that if TAB is facing reimbursing someone $100,000 they won't fail you in your last 1 or 2 checkrides...I wouldn't trust it!!

Not only that, but you have to 'buy' 250 hrs of SIC time before you can get on with the 'airline' full-time, once you complete that, it will lead to about 50 hrs of flying a month at $25.00/hr. Yippee! You couldn't even pay the loan payment on $95,000 to hold out for your 3 years! That's about $1050/month after tax net!

You are in fact buying a job. The only reason you went to TAB is because of that airline deal...if not you're a FOOL!!!! TAB places 'graduates' with Colgan if you foot the $18,000 training tab (hehe), but so does the Regional Airline Academy down the street (also at Deland) and at almost half the cost. By paying for your initial SIC time you're taking a seat that should be filled by a paid f/o. And don't say that you're getting paid to be in that seat! You might, but at a reduced amount ($8.00/hr I think for the SIC training part of it). Not only that, you have to pay out the $25,000 to TAB to train you to fly the thing.

All this and it's being run by the same people that brought you ATA! If you're unfamliar...do the research. I've always lived under the notion that if it sounds too good to be true - it probably is!

~wheelsup

 

[bobbysamd]

(Seventh note to self: Do not answer flamebait)

TAB EXPRESS airline is not what the ads make it out to be. the training is top notch and it's not paying for a job.if you don't meet the standards they will cut wou. i'm a qualified first officer for tab.

GO THE MAV!!!

(Emphasis added)

Shouldn't that word be "you?" So, you got past those V1 cuts? Been sipping from that
TAB can again? How's your little friend, TABExpressF/O?

Paying the TAB is P-F-T in every way. Perhaps now is the time to try some Ipecac syrup. You need an antidote to that TAB cola!

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Hey Mav,

didn't you read about one of your brothers, from TAB, who failed GLA (I think) because he couldn't master V1 cuts? What kind of "quality" training did he receive? I know guys who sailed right through training transitioning from 172s!
-TAB is like playing with FIRE , its been proven.

 

[DHPFLYN]

Sorry guys Colgan is no longer PFT

 

[B190Captain]

Yep, Colgan is no longer PFT. They came down to GIA and hired 20 "program" FO's.

 

[gottafly]

Yep, Colgan is no longer PFT. They came down to GIA and hired 20 "program" FO's.

When did Colgan do that? Within the past 2 weeks?