PCL 3701 Multiple Exam Failures

[DoinTime]

Ouch, that's harsh! There did seem to be a mentality with some of the pilots at Pinnacle to achive the FL410 mark. The one FO that said "just for a better fuel burn." . Yeah, right. . I guess he is really concerned with saving the company money on fuel.

How would you know? I have over 4000 hours in the CRJ here at PCL and flown with hundreds of FO's. I have never heard of anyone being excited about being at FL410. At best being at that altitude in this tin can is terrifying.

The only reason I started this thread was because I was amazed at the pattern of failures whether due to inability or a lack of being prepared for your checkride that this individual displayed and YET was STILL HIRED and became a captain.

It makes it seem like standards are not in place and that a track record of failure means nothing.

PRIA records can only go back five years. Many of the failures reported in your post were never disclosed to PCL.

Captain upgrades are awarded as a function of seniority. If you have the seniority and can get through the type rating you will become a captain. Merit has nothing to do with the awarding process.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

A failed checkride at Trans States, especially on the J41, should not be held against anyone. It's almost like a badge of honor.

Damn straight!

The ATR side wasn't much better... Personal experience on that one!

 

[ultrarunner]

PRIA records can only go back five years. Many of the failures reported in your post were never disclosed to PCL.

Ahh, that's right.....

Yet another reason to book around RJ operators.

 

[ePilot22]

Do some more...

How would you know? I have over 4000 hours in the CRJ here at PCL and flown with hundreds of FO's. I have never heard of anyone being excited about being at FL410. At best being at that altitude in this tin can is terrifying.

Wow 4000 hours you say...

You might know what I know IF you read the NTSB report. Cause see that's what I did, then I restated the facts from that report.

So spend 1 hour reading it, and then question what I know with my low time.

Thanks for asking.



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[DoinTime]

Wow 4000 hours you say...

You might know what I know IF you read the NTSB report. Cause see that's what I did, then I restated the facts from that report.

So spend 1 hour reading it, and then question what I know with my low time.

Thanks for asking.



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Your post referenced multiple pilots and insinuated that it was a common perception at Pinnacle. While the cockpit tapes show that these two pilots in particular had some kind of boner to get to FL410 I have never witness this mentality at Pinnacle. Nobody had ever heard of the "410 club" before this accident investigation. You might be better served to take advise from people that walk the walk instead of reading into some bureaucratic report with your extreamly limited background knowledge.

BTW....I have read the NTSB report and have a greater understanding of what happend (and how) than you ever will.

There did seem to be a mentality with some of the pilots at Pinnacle to achive the FL410 mark.

 

[DoinTime]

Ahh, that's right.....

Yet another reason to book around RJ operators.

RJ operators are no more likely to hire these guys than any national or major carrier. In fact, due to the lower total time nature of most RJ operators hiring departments its actually probably less common than at nationals and majors. All anyone has to do is to keep a clean record for five years and their entire past goes away. At least until the accident investigation.

 

[ePilot22]

Your post referenced multiple pilots and insinuated that it was a common perception at Pinnacle.

Yep. Some=more than one!

You might be better served to take advise from people that walk the walk instead of reading into some bureaucratic report with your extreamly limited background knowledge.

Funny isn't it, that the NTSB DIDN'T ask for your input. Seems they might have the same thing to say to you.

...and have a greater understanding of what happend (and how) than you ever will

Well, I can only hope to be a Jedi Master like you someday! Please tell me how grand you are, how cool it is to fly a jet...nevermind.

You're the man. . Smell ya later.



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[ultrarunner]

Quote:The one FO that said "just for a better fuel burn." . Yeah, right. . I guess he is really concerned with saving the company money on fuel....

haha..that's funny...

I'll bet you a "Dude Plaque" that had those two idots even known where to look, they'd have seen that 350 or 370 would have yielded better burns than 410.

Now, I don't know what the temp or weight was at TOC, but it doesn't matter since they wanted to die that night anyway.

"DUDES" should be on surfboards...not flying jets.

 

[ePilot22]

If...

2.0 Investigators formed the impression that there was a sense of allure to SOME pilots to cruise at FL410 just to say they had, “Been there and done that.” Pinnacle’s chief pilot said that he had first learned of such “rumors” subsequent to the accident. One company FO said he would have wanted to climb to FL410 but was never able to because the airplane was too heavy. However, he said that was only for a more efficient fuel burn and for no other reason. Another FO said that she did not see FL410 as “Any particular goal to achieve.”

Word for word from the report. Seems the people who "walk the walk" are the ones who gave the impression.

Your company's pilots' words, not mine.

Bugger off.



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[DoinTime]

Blah Blah Blah Blah

I had wondered why its was that you somehow think that your knowledge is so great and then I clicked on the link at the bottom of your post. That explained everything.

Funny isn't it, that the NTSB DIDN'T ask for your input. Seems they might have the same thing to say to you.

I was interviewed by the NTSB regarding FLG3701 jacka**.

 

[ePilot22]

Where's the aloe vera?

I had wondered why its was that you somehow think that your knowledge is so great and then I clicked on the link at the bottom of your post. That explained everything.

ohh...burn.





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[ePilot22]

You might be better served to take advise from people that walk the walk instead of reading into some bureaucratic report with your extreamly limited background knowledge.

I was interviewed by the NTSB regarding FLG3701 jacka**.

Another FO said that she did not see FL410 as “Any particular goal to achieve.”

I'm sorry, I see now that they did put your input into their bureaucratic report.

I hope the gave you a gold star for your forehead and a lollypop.

If not, here ya go...





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[NuGuy]

PRIA records can only go back five years.

You can bet this will change as a result of this accident. The NTSB is already hot and bothered about training history due to an accident down here in SoFL with a charter outfit. This has been one of their perrenial bitching points, and the PCL accident will only serve to re-inforce their position.

I would expect a NPRM to come out after this to extend the PRIA lookback to 10-15 years, or maybe if they get pumped up and go the distance, your entire flying career to include any part 61 or 141 student records.

Nu

 

[BE90flyer]

Let me see if I got this correct. You should not be allowed to be an airline pilot if you have bad credit?

 

[ePilot22]

Cash or Credit?

Let me see if I got this correct. You should not be allowed to be an airline pilot if you have bad credit?

Ironic or oxymoron? Airlines and good credit?





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