PCL 3701 Multiple Exam Failures

[MarineGrunt]

Heck, had they even followed the correct relight procedure, it would prly have failed.

(knowing nothing about the CRJ), Where did they deviate from procedure?

 

[ultrarunner]

(knowing nothing about the CRJ), Where did they deviate from procedure?

It's been sometime since I read the report, but as I recall, they never returned the aircraft to the inflight re-light envelope.

I believe they attempted an APU start when in fact they should have attempted a windmill start...

They attempted a restart at a MUCH higher altitued than authorized for a start.

Someone with chime in, but they needed to be below 240 or so and at 300kias or so and attempted a windmill start.

These guys were attempting something different.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Well this has been fun reading... Not.

No matter how deeply you dive into the NTSB report of this accident, you are getting just a small slice of the total picture.

I knew Jesse Rhodes, which is to say I knew him and worked with him during his ERAU days. I can personally attest to the fact that he took his instructing duties very seriously and was an excellent pilot and teacher. This does not change the fact that he made some very serious, indeed fatal, mistakes in both operating his aircraft and in his leadership on the flightdeck that fateful night. Nothing will change that, but we sure can learn something from it.

As for his checkride failures, we have no idea for the reasons behind those failures. He busted a checkride at TSA... Big freakin' deal. So did I. So did a lot of people. Should they yank my ATP becuase I had to recheck my initial ATR new hire ride? Really, oh ye know-it-all flightinfo gods, be truthful.

Is it a possibility that he could have been one of those guys who just had terminal checkride-itis? I have known very good pilots who were like that. I suffer a touch of it myself, from time to time.

Jesse blew it big time. Nothing will change that. But it amazes me how a knowledgeable group like this can be so much like the unknowledgeable press... Focusing on one aspect of an accident as if that were the only cause. It is all involved here, just like in the Kirksville crash... Training, company policy, decision making, the aircraft itself... Accidents are a chain of causes, not just one.

 

[RideTheWind]

(knowing nothing about the CRJ), Where did they deviate from procedure?

You might want to start by reading this thread
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=56127

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2005/Pinnacle/exhibits/CVR_Factual.pdf

 

[405]

Do you a-holes ever let up kicking around a dead crew? I think it has been clearly established by the CVR that they f*cked up royally and paid the ultimate price. We know that already. The question is are you bunch of holier-than-thou over analytical assf*cks ever going to let them rest in peace? They're DEAD. They killed THEMSELVES. Let them rest in peace. Learn from their mistakes and move on already. Why do we have to keep reliving this crash? We all know what caused it for God's sake.

Teach their mistakes to new crews so it will never happen again.

 

[ultrarunner]

Well allrighty then 405.

 

[DoinTime]

It's been sometime since I read the report.

UR....you may want to revisit the NTSB report of the documentable facts before you disparage the memory of my former coworkers. The only part of your recollection that is anywhere near accurate is the part just before the flameout.

 

[ultrarunner]

No disparaging...it is was it is. Game over. I'm off this thread.