paying for an 8410???

[sydeseet]

Here's my .02

Run screaming in the opposite direction.

$100 per day?? After you pay? This is a spoof right? It should be $200 minimum plus company provided training. Walk away, that would do eveyone a favor.

Only you can put people like this out of business.

 

[350DRIVER]

$100/per day?. I would probably run as well, not a whole lot of money to put it mildly. Sure one or two on this thread will say this is the norm though here.

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[HMR]

Run away. You have plenty of time to be PIC. A few years ago I got hired into a brand-new BE20, single pilot, for a SoCal 135 operator with 1300TT/500Multi/0 Turbine. Right seat in a King Air is worthless.

BTW- The company I worked for was/is considered a bottom feeder and even they paid for sim school. They also paid for all the necessary "8410" rides for the few SIC's we had. We rarely used SIC's but we had guys beating down the door to pay for their time in the right seat. Pretty sad.

 

[ksu_aviator]

There are so many jobs out there right now that this job just isn't worth it. The company I work for can't even keep 3000 hour pilots but they still don't require pft.

 

[350DRIVER]

BTW- The company I worked for was/is considered a bottom feeder and even they paid for sim school. They also paid for all the necessary "8410" rides for the few SIC's we had. We rarely used SIC's but we had guys beating down the door to pay for their time in the right seat. Pretty sad.[/

transpac: :

"We might have a different concept of contract pilots". I don't think so, I would agree that a contract pilot is someone that is self-employed that contracts out their services to aircraft operators. The only difference is that you think most pay for the 8410 rides which has been a complete opposite of my experiences. Could be just a vast difference of location(s) here?. Please feel free to pm me and I would be more than happy to provide you with quite a few operators that use contract pilots who pay for the 8410 rides and all other insurance company/operator related recurrent ground schools.

c h e e r s

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[transpac]

transpac: :

"We might have a different concept of contract pilots". I don't think so, I would agree that a contract pilot is someone that is self-employed that contracts out their services to aircraft operators. The only difference is that you think most pay for the 8410 rides which has been a complete opposite of my experiences. Could be just a vast difference of location(s) here?. Please feel free to pm me and I would be more than happy to provide you with quite a few operators that use contract pilots who pay for the 8410 rides and all other insurance company/operator related recurrent ground schools.

c h e e r s

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Thanks, but I'm out of the contract business. When I was in the business I didn't expect or want any of my customers to be the middleman for my training. It worked much better for me to schedule my own recurrent and to rotate the training between the two types I was maintaining currency in. None of my customers operated both types, so I trained under an unassociated Part 135 operator's training program that covered both types.

I took a look at Avcrew.com's contract pilot directory to see if I was still listed, (I wasn't) and found that they differentiate between professional contract pilots and others who might call themselves contract pilots. Avcrew also is under the impression that professional contract pilots typically fund their own training:

http://www.avcrew.com/listings/contractpilots/index.htm

Directory of Contract Pilots

• To view the pilot's listing, browse this page and click on a name.
  ​
• Pilot names with a ** symbol are:
  

  • Full-time, self-employed, independent contractors ("IC Pilot")
    • Contractor for at least 12 consecutive months, and
    • Not actively seeking full-time employment, and
    • Usually specializing in one airplane type, and
    • Typically fund their own training
• Other pilots (either of the following apply):
  
  • Pilots supplementing their primary employment with part-time work, or
  • Pilots available for temporary work while seeking full-time employment, or
  • Pilots that have been offering temporary services for less than one year

 

[English]

transpac is putting out accurate info.

For more information on what it means to be a "contract" pilot, read the following...

http://pilots4rent.com/

click on the link "How to be an ICP"


Jeff Beck wrote most of this and is a true independent contract pilot.

 

[Daveman]

Jeff Beck wrote most of this and is a true independent contract pilot.

Jeff Beck is no Robin Trower.

 

[350DRIVER]

transpac,

Appreciate the response, it depends on the operator and your personal preferences. The three former 135 operators that I was a part of didn't require the contract pilots to pay anything out of pocket, all was company paid for whether you flew one day a month or 17. The only time this was different was when the transition was made into the DO-328 jet fleet where then you were no longer able to remain contract, you were then forced on salary but again all company funded training, rides, types, etc. The "gotchu" came in the way of a longer than usual training contract that had to be signed. I can see where a company would save on costs by hiring on a current and qualified contract pilot. By any chance did you use Marquette and Associates 99/00?.

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[aeronautic1]

Bad start

Listen to your brothers. It is just another ploy to line the CPs pocket. 8410 pilot checks are just part of doing flying business. Do they charge the captains for their pilot checks? I think not!

Now for some real fun, I would like for everyone to email Otto Vellinga at [email protected] and flame him. "Amercian Support Group" is, get this, is a Netherlands based company the advertises that it is a 135 operator in the US operating 64 jets in passenger, cargo and air ambulance in Learjet and Hawker.

In fact, this dork is a PFT organization that contracts with bottomfeeders to bring foreign pilots over here and BUY their way into Part 135 right seat jobs. This is just wrong and everyone should write the FAA about the false advertising that www.asg-jet.com is committing (e.g. foreign entity being a US Part 135 operator).

Not to mention the threat of future opportunities for up and coming American pilots. Not to mention the effect that this pratice has on keeping salaries low.

 

[casper1nine]

thanks for all the input guys, but as it turns out, i had bad info on this from the beginning. pay is 175/day, still low, but the company does pay for the 8410. not as much of a bottom feeder as i thought.

casper

ps: that asg guy is a douche

 

[350DRIVER]

thanks for all the input guys, but as it turns out, i had bad info on this from the beginning. pay is 175/day, still low, but the company does pay for the 8410. not as much of a bottom feeder as i thought.

casper

ps: that asg guy is a douche

Kind of figured this would probably the case...

good luck,

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