Pay up or get fired

[Bringupthebird]

Every USAirways pilot who thinks they are worth more than USAPA will ever provide (including the $10 turkey) must commit to doing all they can to remove Cleary and USAPA from power. Going with NO union would be a huge improvement over USAPA and might be the only thing that allows the pilot groups to move forward.

Once the seniority integration issue is laid to rest then ALL the US pilots can craft a constitution for a union that doesn't disenfranchise the minority.

Ironic that in order to do what was Prater's responsibility to begin with, the pilots might have to forego all union protection for a while.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

How many pilots has USAPA been able to fire for not paying so far?

ZERO

thats true....only the company can hire...and fire. the Union can't do it....but the union can pressure the company to comply with the CBA.

And that is what they are doing.

I do remember ALPA having the "legacy" carrier I worked for, send out letters to pilots who would not pay the Eastern strike assessment.

None of the pilots got terminated. Because after they got the letters from the company...they decided to pay up.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Arizona is a right to work state. They can't compel Westies to join. Tell 'em to pound sand.

You're right they can't compel them to join. They can, however, require them to pay the dues.

RLA trumps RTW.

Exactly.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I had a buddy that just paid his entire outstanding balance in pennies. Not rolled up or anyting, just in a big box. to make it better, he took a hammer and bent a bunch of them so they would not go through a coin counter/coinstar machine.

 

[B-atch]

I had a buddy that just paid his entire outstanding balance in pennies. Not rolled up or anyting, just in a big box. to make it better, he took a hammer and bent a bunch of them so they would not go through a coin counter/coinstar machine.

Ahhh...Tell your BUDDY!! that destroying/defacing
US currency is a federal offence!! D-A$$!!

"..Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service...."

 

[Cowboy75]

Ahhh...Tell your BUDDY!! that destroying/defacing
US currency is a federal offence!! D-A$$!!

He should have bought a penny pressing machine. Much less work and according to a penny pressing website, legal:

Is it legal?
The most commonly asked question, and most misunderstood. The basic answer is Yes. We have two basic versions of our machines: the US model that allow the user to put in their own penny, for markets where the law allows; and the International model equipped with a coin hopper inside of it that delivers its own coin to the press when the user puts in their money. The law varies from country to country, but we have machines for both circumstances.

 

[AutoBus]

You could be terminated for non-payment of dues to ALPA. USAPA is being more aggressive in collections because of the large numbers of pilots simply refusing to pay.

USAPA sucks,

 

[St. Nic]

Here is the simple truth: USAPA is the legal CBA, they have been the CBA since April 2008 and all pilots employed at USAirways must pay dues. I understand some of you all out west have trouble abiding by federal laws (RICO) but really, isn't it time to grow up?

 

[AutoBus]

Here is the simple truth: USAPA is the legal CBA, they have been the CBA since April 2008 and all pilots employed at USAirways must pay dues. I understand some of you all out west have trouble abiding by federal laws (RICO) but really, isn't it time to grow up?

Well let's see, what part of DFR don't you understand?

As far as USAPA being the legal CBA, that will change, very, very shortly.

 

[Cowboy75]

USAPA sucks,

With angry new members joining every day, maybe USAPA will suck less in the future.

 

[Raoul Duke]

you do not have to pay full dues, you only have to pay that portion of dues that are directly related to collective bargaining expenses. That means that have to separate out all of those legal fees and pay for those from another source.

 

[TWA Dude]

Not exactly true. There's a laundry list of what constitutes germane versus non-germane expenses and it's apparently subject to interpretation. Bottom line: ALPA and APA agency fee is about 85% of full dues. USAPA is claiming at least 95%.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Ahhh...Tell your BUDDY!! that destroying/defacing
US currency is a federal offence!! D-A$$!!

"..Whoever mutilates, cuts, disfigures, perforates, unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, Federal Reserve Bank, or Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued, shall be fined not more than $100 or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

Defacement of currency in such a way that it is made unfit for circulation comes under the jurisdiction of the United States Secret Service...."

How you gonna prove he defaced it, "D-A$$? "

No wonder why Seham loves you guys......

PHXFLYR

 

[St. Nic]

It's pointless talking to anybody who thinks they can get out of paying dues just because they feel like it. NEWS FLASH: you work for a closed shop! You have to pay dues whether you like it or not!
So sorry, so sad...

 

[cactusboy53]

Here is the simple truth: USAPA is the legal CBA, they have been the CBA since April 2008 and all pilots employed at USAirways must pay dues. I understand some of you all out west have trouble abiding by federal laws (RICO) but really, isn't it time to grow up?

Paid up since early this year, member in good standing.

Speaking of growing up, when exactly is it good union business to urinate away nearly $300,000 on a RICO lawsuit that was DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE? This case should have been dropped over a year ago. Now Cleary is taking back to court. If it gets shot down again (gee, what do you suppose the odds of that are??), will ANY east pilot figure out that Cleary is going to cost you a bunch of money??

Further PERSECUTION of the C18 could cost USAPA in counter suits.

Why don't you do something productive, like calling your BPR representative and tell him to cease all litigation against the C18 IMMEDIATELY. That would be a good first step to getting this pilot group together.

With USAPA actions against the West pilot group (attempting to circumnavigate the Nicolau list, RICO lawsuit against Cactus pilots, and attempts to appeal the DFR lawsuit), is it ANY WONDER why any West pilot has trouble coughing up $$ to our "union":nuts:??