Pay: Should Delta/United get raises or SWA pilots take a paycut?

[Whataburger]

As Lumberg stated, WRONG. If you are senior (like me) in category, it's FANTASTIC. I get pretty much what I want, which is 1 Europe 3 day and a few South America trips per month in the Winter, and opposite in the Summer.

What isn't good (as a result of BK), is trip touching is gone when you have vacation, etc, and PBS will not allow trips to touch training either. It will just skip the trip you wanted until the one that fits around training is found, and award you that. It is very "efficient", which isn't great sometimes.



Bye Bye---General Lee

One 3-day plus a "few" 3-days is 12 days of work. How many "credits" would a big-timer heavy 767 driver expect with 12 days of work?

 

[PCL_128]

A PBS system that would be a benefit to the pilots of SWA would never get past management.

That may be true, which is the same reason we never would have seen it at AirTran. A good PBS requires lots of contractual restrictions and union control over the bidding process. If a company isn't willing to let go of some of that control, then PBS can be a nightmare (CAL's PBS for example). But if they're willing, then PBS is a far superior system.

 

[Scoot 11]

Back on topic....

Delta pilots will get a pay cut before a pay raise. It's in their DNA to roll over.

Did a Delta pilot do your wife and/or sister or something?
Do you ever have anything positive to say, or do you just enjoy being a total dickhead?

 

[waveflyer]

Not to defend tank scoot- but I think dalpa owes the industry a few positives before we get off their back after rolling over on 90 seaters,
I do wish you good luck and support you standing strong and leapfrogging SWA and continued reduction of rj's -

 

[slaquer5]

Back on topic....

Delta pilots will get a pay cut before a pay raise. It's in their DNA to roll over.

Welcome back,

 

[Lear70]

Did a Delta pilot do your wife and/or sister or something?
Do you ever have anything positive to say, or do you just enjoy being a total dickhead?

It's Tanker Clown...

Throwing mud is a time-honored FlightInfo tradition, as is flaming just to incite people to irritation (like InstructorDude).

After a while, you figure out who they are and just post around them...

 

[Scoot 11]

Not to defend tank scoot- but I think dalpa owes the industry a few positives before we get off their back after rolling over on 90 seaters,
I do wish you good luck and support you standing strong and leapfrogging SWA and continued reduction of rj's -

I'm not disagreeing with you on the scope issue, but pay wise? I don't think so. Up until 2004 Southwest was lagging terribly in the pay department, and has only then been the best paid legacy.
It would really be interesting to see what the Southwest pilots would do in the face of bankruptcy. And before anyone starts slamming me, save it. I'm only speaking hypothetically. Only reason I say this is because everyone wants the other guys to "take one for the team," until it's their turn. Just look at how it was when Us Airways went int BK (TWICE), followed by UAL, followed by DAL/NWA on the same day, followed by...............Well, you get what I mean.

 

[PCL_128]

Not to defend tank scoot- but I think dalpa owes the industry a few positives before we get off their back after rolling over on 90 seaters,

DALPA scope doesn't allow for 90-seat airplanes to be outsourced.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Not yet...

 

[Dan Roman]

Not to defend tank scoot- but I think dalpa owes the industry a few positives before we get off their back after rolling over on 90 seaters,
I do wish you good luck and support you standing strong and leapfrogging SWA and continued reduction of rj's -

Wave, if dalpa owes the industry for screwing the pooch on scope, what does SWAPA owe the industry for flying at much lower wages than the competition and working much longer hours while accepting an inferior retirement in an effort to get their airline established for most of their existence?
Right wrong or indifferent it's the upstart airlines (including SWA) undercutting the legacies that led to the attacks on our profession.

Just saying..........