Pay: Should Delta/United get raises or SWA pilots take a paycut?

[Sluggo_63]

I completed my senior paper at Embry Riddle analyzing the United slowdown and came up with this conclusion. Guess what, I got a A on it.

I get'cha, InstructorDude. This was an outstanding touch... Love it!

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

The main reason that PBS saves money is month-to-month integration. It eliminates the integration conflicts that cause companies to have to artificially inflate staffing to cover those first few days of the month with pilots that they really don't need for the rest of the month. SWA could certainly gain efficiencies with PBS.



From what I've heard from the guys at ASA, their PBS system hasn't negatively affected vacation, and might have actually improved it.

APPLES to ORANGES, Spent 12 years at a commuter, PBS would've helped there as well, It would've constrained managements slave-like constraints on the pilot group, here (at SW), this is not the issue!

WE DO NOT NEED PBS NOR DO WE WANT PBS AT SWA!!!

KBB

 

[slaquer5]

The main reason that PBS saves money is month-to-month integration. It eliminates the integration conflicts that cause companies to have to artificially inflate staffing to cover those first few days of the month with pilots that they really don't need for the rest of the month. SWA could certainly gain efficiencies with PBS.



From what I've heard from the guys at ASA, their PBS system hasn't negatively affected vacation, and might have actually improved it.[/QUOTE]

Sure my GED buddy. SWA would love to give us more money for our vacation. You will not be alone IF you come to SWA, we have other idiots that think like you do.

 

[WildcatFan]

Wages need to be some where between United/American and Southwest's. Southwest probably pays too much but American/United guys probably need a little boost. This would probably be fair.

Maybe this guy spent poring over huge stacks of SEC filings, privileged internal balance sheets, yield data for each city, oil price forecasts, etc all of which led to a considered professional opinion on what wages need to be for the industry to survive.

Or maybe he is a jackass.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Maybe this guy spent poring over huge stacks of SEC filings, privileged internal balance sheets, yield data for each city, oil price forecasts, etc all of which led to a considered professional opinion on what wages need to be for the industry to survive.

Or maybe he is a jackass.

DING DING DING!

We have a winner!

Peace.

Rekks

 

[PCL_128]

PCL, PBS would kill our pilot group flexibility. Trust me our productivity makes our company money. PBS is only good if you are in the top ten percent.

PBS doesn't kill flexibility at all. You can still have all of the schedule adjustment rules that you have right now. The schedule that you start with is just done through PBS instead of line bidding, which means that most pilots would have to do less with schedule adjustments.

 

[WildcatFan]

PBS doesn't kill flexibility at all. You can still have all of the schedule adjustment rules that you have right now. The schedule that you start with is just done through PBS instead of line bidding, which means that most pilots would have to do less with schedule adjustments.

PCL- do yourself and the pilot group a big favor and stop talking until you have had a chance to live under our current bidding and vacation contract. SWA is pushing for PBS so they can pay you less. Thank me later.

 

[slaquer5]

PCL- do yourself and the pilot group a big favor and stop talking until you have had a chance to live under our current bidding and vacation contract. SWA is pushing for PBS so they can pay you less. Thank me later.

I second that. DO not try to help the SWA pilots like you did the AT pilots.

One thing for sure, you bat 1000.

 

[dicko]

PBS doesn't kill flexibility at all. You can still have all of the schedule adjustment rules that you have right now. The schedule that you start with is just done through PBS instead of line bidding, which means that most pilots would have to do less with schedule adjustments.

40% of AirTran pilots that are enjoying your money losing Reserve system this month .... Strongly disagree that you have a clue how to make pilots money. It's a wash, including the payraise.

Lee Moak loves PBS.

 

[slaquer5]

40% of AirTran pilots that are enjoying your money losing Reserve system this month .... Strongly disagree that you have a clue how to make pilots money. It's a wash, including the payraise.

Lee Moak loves PBS.

GK does also. I have no doubt that someday we will have it forced upon us. Just not sure why some want to do it to ourselves .

Death by Bula Bula

 

[Flopgut]

I define too much pay as represented in the old legacy contracts. They BK'd their own companies.

Companies do negotiate with their own unions but are sometimes handcuffed by agressive union actions and have no choice. Take United back in the early 2000's for example. I completed my senior paper at Embry Riddle analyzing the United slowdown and came up with this conclusion. Guess what, I got a A on it.

People forget that UAL's attempt to buy USAir was part of the equation in that 2000 contract. UAL mgt would not listen to the employees who told them it would wreck the airline. Look now at where USAir ended up, and obviously, the UAL pilots were right.

BTW, PBS would be a bad thing for SWA pilots.

 

[PCL_128]

40% of AirTran pilots that are enjoying your money losing Reserve system this month .... Strongly disagree that you have a clue how to make pilots money. It's a wash, including the pay raise.

Of course it's a wash, which is exactly what was expected. The pay for reserves was a wash, but the QOL improvement was huge.

Lee Moak loves PBS.

Not a fan of Moak, but if he loves PBS, then I agree with him on that. The Delta pilots sure seem to like it, and the NWA pilots loved it before them.

 

[slaquer5]

Of course it's a wash, which is exactly what was expected. The pay for reserves was a wash, but the QOL improvement was huge.



Not a fan of Moak, but if he loves PBS, then I agree with him on that. The Delta pilots sure seem to like it, and the NWA pilots loved it before them.

No the Delta pilots do not love it, it was forced upon them. They liked there old bidding.

 

[PCL_128]

No the Delta pilots do not love it, it was forced upon them. They liked there old bidding.

Yes, I'm sure you talk to more Delta pilots that someone who lives in and is based in Atlanta.

 

[Tripower455]

A PBS system that would be a benefit to the pilots of SWA would never get past management.

The devil is in the details, and we have a lousy track record of voting things in to see what in them. We would be so hosed by PBS that it would take years to figure out all the different ways we got screwed, both pay and QOL wise. IMHO of course....

 

[mamba20]

We should ALL get pay raises. . . . I don't see any room for discussion on this.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

No the Delta pilots do not love it, it was forced upon them. They liked there old bidding.

Patently False......

 

[Tanker Clown]

Back on topic....

Delta pilots will get a pay cut before a pay raise. It's in their DNA to roll over.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

The main reason that PBS saves money is month-to-month integration. It eliminates the integration conflicts that cause companies to have to artificially inflate staffing to cover those first few days of the month with pilots that they really don't need for the rest of the month. SWA could certainly gain efficiencies with PBS.



From what I've heard from the guys at ASA, their PBS system hasn't negatively affected vacation, and might have actually improved it.

Fact.

 

[General Lee]

No the Delta pilots do not love it, it was forced upon them. They liked there old bidding.

As Lumberg stated, WRONG. If you are senior (like me) in category, it's FANTASTIC. I get pretty much what I want, which is 1 Europe 3 day and a few South America trips per month in the Winter, and opposite in the Summer.

What isn't good (as a result of BK), is trip touching is gone when you have vacation, etc, and PBS will not allow trips to touch training either. It will just skip the trip you wanted until the one that fits around training is found, and award you that. It is very "efficient", which isn't great sometimes.



Bye Bye---General Lee