Pax gets thrown off plane

[capt. megadeth]

I know that I would have told the flight attendant where to go if she told me my kid needed medication and the cops would probably have to drag me off the plane.

You must be one of those parents that would punch out the umpire at Little League when he strikes your precious little Johnny out, aren't you?

 

[Farmer]

You must be one of those parents that would punch out the umpire at Little League when he strikes your precious little Johnny out, aren't you?

I'm pretty much the opposite of that. Very easy going, but if I was a paying passenger and a flight attendant told me something like that it would be pretty hard to just keep my mouth shut.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I'm pretty much the opposite of that. Very easy going, but if I was a paying passenger and a flight attendant told me something like that it would be pretty hard to just keep my mouth shut.

I can see that.

 

[Filkster]

Put the kid in R1 or R2.... I hate kids on planes they are loud and annoy me. Use a condom!

Sure wish your pop did!!!
RF

 

[bluefishbeagle]

I do have a 2 year old son who i would never allow to act that way. I dont know both sides of the story but if the flight attendant felt that they were disrupting her from doing her job then maybe it was justified. I dont know. I do know that this one mother and child dont trump 48 other potential pax. JMHO

Oh, so if you and your two year old were live on national TV and he started to act up you would do what?

Smack him/her? (Child abuse)
Say "don't do that junior"
Get up and walk off?

When kids get tired they get cranky. They will never say, "mom I'm tired I need a nap". Instead they will fight a nap like you were trying to put them to sleep for the last time.

After a trip from ATL to IAH and 11 hours in the terminal you can bet the tyke was worn out.

I'm sure the FA was worn out too considering the schedules flight crew's endure, but she was out of line.

You get what you pay for in any industry and let's face it incidents like this are the result of hiring anybody who will put up with work conditions imposed by regional carriers.

At some point this became "personal" to the FA and she in utter frustration, "lost it."

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey Rez.....if, by some small itty bitty chance, one of my eggs does survive the black hole.......since you have so much patience and love for these little gifts of life......when I am about ready to shoot myself in the head from the screaming and tantrums....can I bring him or her over to your house for a break?

Will ya help a sista out?

Sure thing.... and I'll cook a great meal for your human sacrfice too...why?? Cause I can... talk about making you obsolete.....

Now if I can do that...imagine what my wife can do....

now get back in the plane and make money...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

In the video... the child crawls across the coffee table... the Mom lifts him up and way from the item that intrested him...... he get upset...

If you were pulled away like that would you get upset? Oh you are an adult and have the skill set to communicate effectively...

No wonder kids are rotten.... parents don't.... what? Beat them enough? Was that the solution?

After waiting 11 hours... a two year is supposed to behave like what?

Limited tolerance for children is a major problem here.....

 

[DX Rick]

Ain't that the truth!

Mon, what ever came out of the time you choked that passenger at C8? Or was that someone else.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Lets look at this from a revenue perspective. How much money did the airline make providing service to a lap child?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Lets look at this from a revenue perspective. How much money did the airline make providing service to a lap child?

how much would lose if they didn't....

In addition a company can't deny human beings travel on a public service....

 

[AiRegency]

In addition a company can't deny human beings travel on a public service....

Well that's the most incorrect statement of the day. Companies (i.e. airlines) deny "human beings" travel services every day. Luckily the FAA has clearly given us many good examples of situations that warrant denial of travel services. One of them is interfering between a crew member and his/her duties. Not saying this situation qualifies or not... that will be more clearly decided in the court system at this point. But if you think you don't have the ability to remove a passenger from your flight then you better get a cargo job.

 

[Metro752]

Mon, what ever came out of the time you choked that passenger at C8? Or was that someone else.

Lol did she really?

 

[~~~^~~~]

how much would lose if they didn't....

In addition a company can't deny human beings travel on a public service....

Yes, but they do not have to let them fly for free.

 

[FlyingGuy]

From what I've seen the other pax back up the mom so it makes me think the FA was out of line. For all you who are judging the mom and kid based on how he acted on the TV show you know nothing about children. Sitting under hot lights in front of a big crowd is no fun for anyone. Besides how a kid acts during one ten minute time frame is not necessarily an indicator of how he acted on a different day. If he had been an angel on TV would you be backing the mom? Besides the claim wasn't that he was screaming and crying or misbehaving on the plane as some of you imply but just talking too much for the FA's taste. If I was to guess I'd say the FA over-reacted. It's rare you see other pax speaking up in favor of another pax.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well that's the most incorrect statement of the day. Companies (i.e. airlines) deny "human beings" travel services every day.

And this one wasn't appropriate... The issue was WHY the woman was denied...and the debate was taken to denying a passenger simply because there was a child.

Stick to the arguement!!

Luckily the FAA has clearly given us many good examples of situations that warrant denial of travel services. One of them is interfering between a crew member and his/her duties. Not saying this situation qualifies or not...

Thanks for the school lesson....

This situation doesn't.... not sure if you read the whole thread or just jumped on.....

that will be more clearly decided in the court system at this point. But if you think you don't have the ability to remove a passenger from your flight then you better get a cargo job.

Thanks for the advice.... but in acutality I think I have the ability to address both the FA and the passenger needs.....

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I think the FA was either having a bad day, or was new, or both. I see that all the time and it bothers me but I know how kids are. Kids are Kids. You just have to chalk it up to "One of those flights".

 

[DX Rick]

Here's a novel idea.
How about we raise the pay for FA's, so we can attract higher quality "material".
I love DH'ing and not being able to understand the FA during her announcement, because she's still speaking Ebonics, her accent is so dang thick or she just can't talk, period.

We've all worked with them. Most of them were saying "Would you like fries with that" at their last jobs.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Here's a novel idea.
How about we raise the pay for FA's, so we can attract higher quality "material".
I love DH'ing and not being able to understand the FA during her announcement, because she's still speaking Ebonics, her accent is so dang thick or she just can't talk, period.

We've all worked with them. Most of them were saying "Would you like fries with that" at their last jobs.

That is superfical and shallow... would raising the pay for pilots get rid of the ignorant and uneducated opinions that have been expressed here? Use your noggin man!!

 

[DX Rick]

That is superfical and shallow... would raising the pay for pilots get rid of the ignorant and uneducated opinions that have been expressed here? Use your noggin man!!

It would make people who are more qualified, want to apply.
I know girls who would like to be FA's, but the pay isn't good enough for them. So they're nurses and in marketing.

 

[bluefishbeagle]

It would make people who are more qualified, want to apply.
I know girls who would like to be FA's, but the pay isn't good enough for them. So they're nurses and in marketing.

Most legacy carrier FA's are (or were) nurses, teachers, and other professionals. Those days are over. For here on is a down hill slide and that includes pilots. It's a race to the bottom, and if you think your 2500 hours and 3 years of experience makes you a top gun you are part of the problem. Managment believe that they can fly the airplanes from a desk and you Mr. Puppet will play along or they will take the ball away from you and give it to the next pilot mill graduate.

 

[AiRegency]

And this one wasn't appropriate... The issue was WHY the woman was denied...and the debate was taken to denying a passenger simply because there was a child.

Stick to the arguement!!





Thanks for the school lesson....

This situation doesn't.... not sure if you read the whole thread or just jumped on.....




Thanks for the advice.... but in acutality I think I have the ability to address both the FA and the passenger needs.....

Now, now rez. Post something stupid and somebody is bound to call you out on it. It just happened to be your turn. Don't get your pretty pink panties in a wad. I love how you have apparently made up your mind from a very few available details or reliable sources. We have two news agencies here both of which are trying to sell newspapers of get additional viewers. They come across a story of a woman and her kid getting kicked off a plane. The woman says it's because her kid was too loud. The FA says it's because of that and a threat made against her. They interview 2 female pax (both undoubtedly mothers) and they (surprise, surprise) back the woman. Where's the guy that she was sitting next too. He would have heard everything and would without a doubt be the best unbiased source as he was literally in the middle of the conversation. Where is he? For all we know they did a phone interview of him and he backed the flight attendant. Thats not all that sensational of a story especially in light of todays general attitude toward airlines. People get kicked off of planes everyday for acting inappropriately. No story there. Which story is gonna sell better? Will most people want to relate to the airline or to the lowly little mom and her bouncing baby boy? And what excuse exactly do you think the FA is going to employ here? The lady wasn't drunk... she didn't have snakes crawling out of her blouse (both offenses I have given people the boot over). She's going to say that the kid interfered with her job and the mother did nothing to stop it except to threaten the FA. Maybe it was just a little threat too. "Im gonna get you if you don't leave me alone". Is that a threat? It's a weak one but a threat none the less. I'm not saying this happened but it easily could have. The point is YOU DON'T KNOW. Nobody here does. Thats why it will have to be taken up in the court system if taken up at all.
And I agree that you can take on the needs of the FA and the pax both. I do this everytime I fly. Unfortuneately sometimes that means I have to kick a passenger off. Now I tend to agree that I think the womans story is more believeable in this case but the fact is that there is still a LOT more to be learned here and so the difference between you and me (or any rational person) is that I reserve judgement until all the facts roll in. But please don't think that you can't remove people from your flight. Not only is it in the FAR's but I guarantee it's in your company manual. It's also quite therapeutic!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Now, now rez. Post something stupid and somebody is bound to call you out on it. It just happened to be your turn. Don't get your pretty pink panties in a wad.

Still arguing different points.... but you want to get personal?

I love how you have apparently made up your mind from a very few available details or reliable sources. We have two news agencies here both of which are trying to sell newspapers of get additional viewers. They come across a story of a woman and her kid getting kicked off a plane. The woman says it's because her kid was too loud. The FA says it's because of that and a threat made against her. They interview 2 female pax (both undoubtedly mothers) and they (surprise, surprise) back the woman.

Now its a womanism thing...? all sisters stick together huh....

Where's the guy that she was sitting next too.

Was there a guy? And if so.. then he must have a counter version.... But what?? He is afraid of the Oprah Army? Afraid me might become the antagonist on Lifetime?

He would have heard everything and would without a doubt be the best unbiased source as he was literally in the middle of the conversation. Where is he?

That is what I am asking you...

For all we know they did a phone interview of him and he backed the flight attendant.

Or all we don't know.... what if ...what if... what if...

Thats not all that sensational of a story especially in light of todays general attitude toward airlines. People get kicked off of planes everyday for acting inappropriately.

Yest it doesn't appear so in this case...rather it is more like FA's Behaving Badly....

But actually my debate is in how people are judging child behavior... they watch the GMA video and declare the child an out of control animal with no parental supervison.. when in fact I am willing to bet such "judges" behaved the same or worse at that age.... next...

No story there. Which story is gonna sell better? Will most people want to relate to the airline or to the lowly little mom and her bouncing baby boy? And what excuse exactly do you think the FA is going to employ here? The lady wasn't drunk... she didn't have snakes crawling out of her blouse (both offenses I have given people the boot over). She's going to say that the kid interfered with her job and the mother did nothing to stop it except to threaten the FA. Maybe it was just a little threat too. "Im gonna get you if you don't leave me alone". Is that a threat? It's a weak one but a threat none the less. I'm not saying this happened but it easily could have. The point is YOU DON'T KNOW.

And neither do you..... and you also don't know the debate...

Nobody here does. Thats why it will have to be taken up in the court system if taken up at all.
And I agree that you can take on the needs of the FA and the pax both. I do this everytime I fly. Unfortuneately sometimes that means I have to kick a passenger off.

Sometimes....

Now I tend to agree that I think the womans story is more believeable in this case but the fact is that there is still a LOT more to be learned here and so the difference between you and me (or any rational person) is that I reserve judgement until all the facts roll in.

Agreed...

But please don't think that you can't remove people from your flight. Not only is it in the FAR's but I guarantee it's in your company manual. It's also quite therapeutic

Of course I realize I can..... but I don't have an ego that needs to say.... "Yeah, I had to kick someone off my flight..." And if I did I'd consider it not therapeutic......

 

[capt. megadeth]

In the video... the child crawls across the coffee table... the Mom lifts him up and way from the item that intrested him...... he get upset...

.....

I have to admit that I watched the video finally and I really didn't think he acted any worse than any kid that age. When I read he was carried off, I was imagining a screeching, out of control screaming and unbearable monster. I didn't think it was that bad. I also think the mom acted quite professional on tv.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Mon, what ever came out of the time you choked that passenger at C8? Or was that someone else.

LOL! Uh, that was someone else. :laugh:

 

[capt. megadeth]

If he had been an angel on TV would you be backing the mom?

Nope. I would never stick up for a passenger. They all suck. :smash:

 

[capt. megadeth]

That is superfical and shallow... would raising the pay for pilots get rid of the ignorant and uneducated opinions that have been expressed here? Use your noggin man!!

Rez must have never worked in an inner city ER. Shallow? Superficial? It's called calling it like you see it. PC needs to die!!!!!!!! It is going to contribute to the demise of this great country.

Rick, I'm with ya bro! The last expressjet flight I was on was like Soul Plane with the FA. She was soooooo slow too.....the flight was 1 hour, about 20 pax and she never even got to passing out snacks. It's sad that you can probably make more flipping burgers than being a regional FA. Whaddya think you are going to attract paying $14K a year with no end in sight?

 

[Edge540]

IMHO, the flight attendant saying "shut your baby up" is poor customer service and that warrants a $4 continental travel voucher :erm:.

Offering to drug the baby up? She should be fired.

Stupidity should be painful.

 

[flyboyike]

I also think the mom acted quite professional on tv.

Professional what? Attention whore?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez must have never worked in an inner city ER. Shallow? Superficial? It's called calling it like you see it. PC needs to die!!!!!!!! It is going to contribute to the demise of this great country.

So you are saying you've worked in an inner city ER...or you watch ER for seven seasons?

PC? what does PC have to do with tolerance of child behavior.... ? Not poor behavior but behavior typical of a 2 year old... and not that you don't correct it....

Rick, I'm with ya bro! The last expressjet flight I was on was like Soul Plane with the FA. She was soooooo slow too.....the flight was 1 hour, about 20 pax and she never even got to passing out snacks. It's sad that you can probably make more flipping burgers than being a regional FA. Whaddya think you are going to attract paying $14K a year with no end in sight?

So... now you can do the FA's job better....

You know mega... I think you are confused chick... I think you despertely want to be an old school girl. There is a Laura Petry deep down inside that is bursting to get out.. You want to keep house, you want to satisfy your man, you want to be taken care of.....

Damm Gloria Steinem Mega! Be the woman you yern to be!!!

 

[Ultra Grump]

Sitting under hot lights in front of a big crowd is no fun for anyone.

So if she was such a good mother, why did she subject him to that?