Pax absconds with FFDO carry piece

[Tweaker]

Okay Mr. Emotional,
Nothing he said was anti gun or anti gun nut. They were simple facts. The guy was inattentive, and lost his gun, period. Quit living in denial.

Just using a little common sense would tell you that it is extremely unlikely that an FFDO will ever have to use their weapon to defend the aircraft. He is more likely to shoot his eye out.


Strike 2 for the FFDO program. This program needed to be canceled yesterday. Guns don't belong in the cockpit.

The FFDO program is only for Junior G-Man Rambo wannabe's that want an excuse to carry a badge and a gun.

Take your knee-jerk reactionary comments somewhere else.

(BTW; I am a gun owning supporter of the second amendment)

1) It is also extremely unlikely that you would have a multitude of emergencies on today's modern aircraft. Yet, there exists the means to deal with them via procedures and aircraft back up systems. That is how we roll, as proactive Americans. You must hate that. It's just so...unilateral, eh?

2) His comment was no more emotional than the one that prompted it. In fact, it was a mirror image, which is apparent to those who are not infested with bias, such as yourself. Your post, on the other hand, was dripping with emotion. Pot, meet kettle.

3) I loved your brilliant use of the Christmas Story argument against firearm implementation!

4) Your statist posts are very consistent. Your logic would suggest that your advice to rape victims is "sit back and enjoy it!"

 

[Donald]

There are many in the program that acknowledge that the current carry procedures are "less than optimal". All law enforcement agencies state that the safest place for a gun is locked in a safe or on your person. Its the in-between where unintentional mishaps occur regardless of what agency you are with. All other LEO's carry on their person from the time they leave their house/hotel. Nevertheless, that is the current procedure and I expect the pilot to be held accountable. There are many managers in the program trying to get this changed. One interesting note: Percentage wise, the FFDO program has one of the lowest unintentional mishap rates of any other agency. They just get the most attention when they occur.

 

[clr4theapch]

As a moderator here I must start send some warning notices out in general on this thread...

Lets NOT get off on a Tangent here.. lets stop the political posturing and allow open and honest feelings here.. No member should fear being attacked for his or her position on any matter in these forums..

If you want to go this direction, take to the non-aviation section.. if this thread continues to slide, then it will get moved there.

Mod out..

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Strike 2 for the FFDO program. This program needed to be canceled yesterday. Guns don't belong in the cockpit.

The FFDO program is only for Junior G-Man Rambo wannabe's that want an excuse to carry a badge and a gun.


(BTW; I am a gun owning supporter of the second amendment)

I am neither a Rambo wanna be or an agent wanna be, and never owned a gun. Personally, if TSA fails at screening and the FAMs fail, and the door fails, I want 37 opportunities to prevent the airplane from being used again as a WMD. Hopefully it will be a long uneventful career as an FFDO should I persue it.

That's why I am interested in the program and considering it.

 

[Pilot Knob]

If you are over 13, and carry a backpack, you need counseling.

 

[hawk996]

Yes, He was wrong to place his pack on the ground and not watch over it. My issue is why did they release his name, what he was carrying and how many rounds. That was all SSI, which had to be released either by Jetblue, the TSA or Both.

The TSA is and above all the real problem.

 

[Ty Webb]

Two questions for the guys against the FFDO program:

1) Were you an airline pilot on 9/11?

2) Have you applied to the program?

I have no idea where you are coming from. I won't apply until they change the carry rules, but I support the program and am glad to fly with guys who are FFDO's.

 

[27 driver]

Okay Mr. Emotional,
Nothing he said was anti gun or anti gun nut. They were simple facts. The guy was inattentive, and lost his gun, period. Quit living in denial.

Just using a little common sense would tell you that it is extremely unlikely that an FFDO will ever have to use their weapon to defend the aircraft. He is more likely to shoot his eye out.


Strike 2 for the FFDO program. This program needed to be canceled yesterday. Guns don't belong in the cockpit.

The FFDO program is only for Junior G-Man Rambo wannabe's that want an excuse to carry a badge and a gun.

Take your knee-jerk reactionary comments somewhere else.

(BTW; I am a gun owning supporter of the second amendment)

If thats not the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[lumax]

In order for me to deduce your appellation, I had to gallop to the terminology folio in order to mandate an elucidation to your caption.

 

[RiddleRat]

If you are over 13, and carry a backpack, you need counseling.

I carry a backpack when flying w/ the military and so don't a lot of aircrew members... I guess all those guys and gals need counseling...Not arguing, just asking?

Mongo

 

[IBNAV8R]

Off body carry = bad.

Screwing with loaded weapon several times a day = bad.

Just because more incidents don't make the news doesn't mean they don't happen nor does it make this ludicrous carry method any safer.

 

[Captzaahlie]

If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Yes,
The TSA is and above all the real problem.

Amen brother!

 

[Captzaahlie]

If you are over 13, and carry a backpack, you need counseling.

I'll pass on your shrink, cause apparently he's not fixin your problem. :nuts:

 

[Fubijaakr]

Listen, I'm FAR from being a gun nut. However, I think making FFDOs carry their sidearm in a bag is STUPID. These guys should be able to carry concealed like any Tom, Dick and Harry who goes down and gets a permit.

Let the FFDOs carry in a shoulder holster, ankle holster or someplace where they have direct control of their firearm AT ALL TIMES.

This poor FFDO is probably going to get bounced out of the program for not controlling his weapon. Too bad. Here's a guy who showed enough dedication to go through the training on his own time, not to mention the recurrent he has to accomplish. Let's treat these guys like any other certified LEO.

Rant over.