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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...73414575808.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_newyork

Handgun Ends Up On Wrong Flight

A JetBlue pilot's backpack containing a handgun was picked up by an unsuspecting passenger and the bag was brought aboard a flight at John F. Kennedy Airport Thursday, according to officials with knowledge of the incident.

The pilot, Michael Connery Jr., 49, of Orlando, Fla., told officials he had put down his bag containing a HK .40-caliber gun, which he is licensed and authorized to carry on flights, and three clips with 37 rounds of ammunition along with his other bags. He was chatting with a Delta pilot at the ticket counter in Terminal 5 when he noticed the bag was missing around 7:20 a.m., the officials said.

A man who was heading to West Palm Beach accidentally picked up the bag, thinking it was his daughter's carry-on luggage.

As the daughter was stowing her bags inside Flight 49, she noticed that she had a backpack that wasn't hers. After asking the passengers around her if the bag was theirs, she notified a flight attendant, the officials said.
The flight attendant made an announcement about the bag over the PA system and when no one claimed it, she checked inside the backpack and found the pilot's identification but not the gun, which was in another bag inside the backpack.

The flight attendant gave the backpack to the ticket agent. By this time, the pilot had reported his backpack and gun missing. The Port Authority Police were called just after 7:50 a.m. and after ascertaining that the pilot was certified as a federal flight desk officer and allowed to carry the gun, they turned the case over to the Transportation Security Administration, officials said. A spokesman, Nicholas Kimball, said the TSA is investigating the incident.

The pilot was scheduled to fly JetBlue Flight 1051 to Pittsburgh, officials said, but was ordered not to. The flight was delayed by about an hour while a replacement pilot was found.
JetBlue did not respond to a request for comment.
 
Carrying a firearm around all day in a bag that is typically mixed in with all the other luggage we haul around is idiotic. This is the biggest problem with the program and is the cause of many such incidents. The fact is, the safest place for that gun is in on the carrier's person, not in a bag. The government being what it is just can't bring itself to do anything unless it's half-assed.

I feel for the guy, but the previous comments are right. He by far isn't the first and he won't be the last.
 
100% of the blame belongs to the TSA.

If they would fix that stupid carry requirement, then the gun would not have been in a bag to get picked up on accident. There are some very good deep coceal options available.

I have one that I can use under any t-shirt and you can not see any print from the gun.
 
I wonder how blame will be assigned.

The Gun Nuts will be on here in 3...2...1...

...to lay blame on everyone in the terminal except the JB FFDO that OBVIOUSLY wasn't watching his bag.

The program was designed as a deterrent, but thanks to this dude and the WSJ, a blue print was just established for future terrorists to keep an eye out for pilots that aren't paying attention to their bags cause there's a good chance there is a hand gun and ammo in it that can be used later on the plane.

Just another example of why guns shouldn't be on aircraft...and they DEFINITELY shouldn't be in luggage that is lying around.

On the bright side...at least he didn't shoot a hole thru the cockpit floor...
 
i thought only mesa pilots carried backpacks

There are pilots from all airlines that carry backpacks. Find a bigger fish to fry, or go and do something more important like following a soap opera or something.
 
I guess the anti gun nut has already been here...

Okay Mr. Emotional,
Nothing he said was anti gun or anti gun nut. They were simple facts. The guy was inattentive, and lost his gun, period. Quit living in denial.

Just using a little common sense would tell you that it is extremely unlikely that an FFDO will ever have to use their weapon to defend the aircraft. He is more likely to shoot his eye out.


Strike 2 for the FFDO program. This program needed to be canceled yesterday. Guns don't belong in the cockpit.

The FFDO program is only for Junior G-Man Rambo wannabe's that want an excuse to carry a badge and a gun.

Take your knee-jerk reactionary comments somewhere else.

(BTW; I am a gun owning supporter of the second amendment)
 
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I guess the anti gun nut has already been here...

I'm not anti gun ownership. I've been in this biz long enough and flown with enough klondikes to know pilots, guns, and aircraft aren't a good mix...unless the aircraft was issued from the DoD.

I'm not positive, but I don't think a union would have a role in this one way or the other. Good question though.

The union would have no relevance to the Feds regarding FFDO actions, but if the company attempts to administer disciplinary action or termination...that's where the union could help. I believe that is how the dude who had the discharge on the flightdeck got his job back...
 
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Like many of us everywhere, we have CWP permits for our normal life.. We are held to a higher standard in the eyes of the law... I can not believe that an FFDO would have any less of a standard... not blamming him, it sounds like he was doing as instructed by the TSA, however if this is the way the TSA requires him to carry his weapon.. I dont know what those rules are.. ( mod note.. I don't want to discuss them here either) I still believe that ANYONE that has permits to carry a weapon has a primary duty to always always have 100% control of that gun at ALL times... it is your responsibility....

in this case, if the TSA requires this mode of concealment, then the bag should NEVER leave his hand of back... JMHO as a gun owner...

Personally, I am with redmeat on this one.. I don't think a gun belongs on the flight deck.. pilots fly planes.. policemen ( Marshals) handle people as required...
 
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Okay Mr. Emotional,
Nothing he said was anti gun or anti gun nut. They were simple facts. The guy was inattentive, and lost his gun, period. Quit living in denial.

Just using a little common sense would tell you that it is extremely unlikely that an FFDO will ever have to use their weapon to defend the aircraft. He is more likely to shoot his eye out.


Strike 2 for the FFDO program. This program needed to be canceled yesterday. Guns don't belong in the cockpit.

The FFDO program is only for Junior G-Man Rambo wannabe's that want an excuse to carry a badge and a gun.

Take your knee-jerk reactionary comments somewhere else.

(BTW; I am a gun owning supporter of the second amendment)

1) It is also extremely unlikely that you would have a multitude of emergencies on today's modern aircraft. Yet, there exists the means to deal with them via procedures and aircraft back up systems. That is how we roll, as proactive Americans. You must hate that. It's just so...unilateral, eh?

2) His comment was no more emotional than the one that prompted it. In fact, it was a mirror image, which is apparent to those who are not infested with bias, such as yourself. Your post, on the other hand, was dripping with emotion. Pot, meet kettle.

3) I loved your brilliant use of the Christmas Story argument against firearm implementation!

4) Your statist posts are very consistent. Your logic would suggest that your advice to rape victims is "sit back and enjoy it!"
 
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There are many in the program that acknowledge that the current carry procedures are "less than optimal". All law enforcement agencies state that the safest place for a gun is locked in a safe or on your person. Its the in-between where unintentional mishaps occur regardless of what agency you are with. All other LEO's carry on their person from the time they leave their house/hotel. Nevertheless, that is the current procedure and I expect the pilot to be held accountable. There are many managers in the program trying to get this changed. One interesting note: Percentage wise, the FFDO program has one of the lowest unintentional mishap rates of any other agency. They just get the most attention when they occur.
 
As a moderator here I must start send some warning notices out in general on this thread...

Lets NOT get off on a Tangent here.. lets stop the political posturing and allow open and honest feelings here.. No member should fear being attacked for his or her position on any matter in these forums..

If you want to go this direction, take to the non-aviation section.. if this thread continues to slide, then it will get moved there.

Mod out..
 
Strike 2 for the FFDO program. This program needed to be canceled yesterday. Guns don't belong in the cockpit.

The FFDO program is only for Junior G-Man Rambo wannabe's that want an excuse to carry a badge and a gun.


(BTW; I am a gun owning supporter of the second amendment)

I am neither a Rambo wanna be or an agent wanna be, and never owned a gun. Personally, if TSA fails at screening and the FAMs fail, and the door fails, I want 37 opportunities to prevent the airplane from being used again as a WMD. Hopefully it will be a long uneventful career as an FFDO should I persue it.

That's why I am interested in the program and considering it.
 
If you are over 13, and carry a backpack, you need counseling.
 
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