Part 91 Mandatory Retirement

[gutshotdraw]

Hmmmmmmmm.



http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/fifth-circuit-rules-for-exxonmobil-endi-17295/

Ironically, the same people in my shop who pound the table the hardest for "one level of safety" when demanding we adhere to Part 121 rest rules (ie: 117), will also be the loudest ones decrying this decision as "age discrimination."

Pick one set of rules folks. You can't have it both ways.




As an aside, I still have a 15 year old new hire manual that says "the mandatory retirement age for Executive Jet shall be 65..."

 

[ghostrider64]

It's coming to a fractional near you. This has basically given them the ammo they need to end the careers of guys approaching 80....

I hope those in fractionals now understand they won't be able to fly until they die. Need to get your salaries and retirements up and on par with the true "industry standards"....

 

[gunfyter]

Too old to rock n roll; too young to retire! :bawling:

 

[Dingo221]

With the fantastic 401K contribution plan from Flight Options ( 0% matching ) some of us might have to work a few more years.

 

[T-1GUY]

FAA says it is a safety thing, and now the courts rule that it is a safety thing based on FAA research and opinion.

At "Blah Blah Blah", safety comes first. It is one of our core principles. Which one is it???

 

[shanes123]

The last one... Profit profit profit. And as long as it does not affect profit. Then safety

 

[ragman]

NetJets, the largest fractional, has an excellent safety record. Perhaps the experience level of NetJets' many 60+ year olds is a positive safety factor. Flying fatigued, no matter what your age, is obviously a negative.

 

[jonjuan]

NetJets, the largest fractional, has an excellent safety record. Perhaps the experience level of NetJets' many 60+ year olds is a positive safety factor. Flying fatigued, no matter what your age, is obviously a negative.

Maybe the safety thing is due to the defibs being mandatory equipment?

 

[CALRepublic]

We need something like this at the frax.

I hear one fractional is actually encouraging a few of these dinosaurs to retire. All in their mid 70s

They don't realize that they're not good at this anymore. And they're selfish pricks

 

[Club ORD FO]

NetJets, the largest fractional, has an excellent safety record. Perhaps the experience level of NetJets' many 60+ year olds is a positive safety factor. Flying fatigued, no matter what your age, is obviously a negative.

It's easy to say you are the largest fractional when there are only 2

 

[GSXR600]

New mandatory retirement age:

Part 121 and 135 = Age 65
Part 91 = Age 70

This is followed in eastern countries +/-!

 

[BuckMurdock1]

This is all good news-- that should be good for another several hundred recalls overnight to replace the (long overdue) outgoing gummers.

 

[OPECJet]

Somehow I think if SCOTUS gets ahold of this one, mandatory retirement age across the board will evaporate. No clue what makes me think this, just gut.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Somehow I think if SCOTUS gets ahold of this one, mandatory retirement age across the board will evaporate. No clue what makes me think this, just gut.

Yup.

However, the Aeromedical branch of the FAA could/should begin enforcing certain existing standards (oh, like vision and hearing) that could effectively cull the herd. There's also motor skills and memory tests that could be applied as screening tools with the same effect.

Of course, when your AME is 80 years old and looks at your retinas 3 times in the same exam because he has no short term memory - maybe this is an indication that the whole medical certification process is fubar'd.

 

[jetwash]

Yup.


Of course, when your AME is 80 years old and looks at your retinas 3 times in the same exam because he has no short term memory - maybe this is an indication that the whole medical certification process is fubar'd.

:laugh: I think I go to the same AME

 

[gutshotdraw]

Wait, your AME actually looks at your eyes?

 

[gunfyter]

New mandatory retirement age:

Part 121 and 135 = Age 65
Part 91 = Age 70

This is followed in eastern countries +/-!

I am good with 70... For myself. But I don't think it's any of my business what someone else does.

 

[gogetit]

We need something like this at the frax.

I hear one fractional is actually encouraging a few of these dinosaurs to retire. All in their mid 70s

They don't realize that they're not good at this anymore. And they're selfish pricks

If you are capable of a little introspection, you may realize that you are the "selfish" one.

 

[LAZYB]

I am good with 70... For myself. But I don't think it's any of my business what someone else does.

+1

Need to make up for the "expulsion" during the prime saving years.

 

[imacdog]

If you are capable of a little introspection, you may realize that you are the "selfish" one.

In numerous cases it's more of a matter of self-preservation.

 

[Hawkered]

If the AMEs do their job properly, there shouldn't be a retirement age.

 

[OPECJet]

:laugh: I think I go to the same AME

Mine really is over 80. Retired from his practice, had lots of demand for medicals so he opened up a one room office near his house. Only does medicals now, no insurance, etc.... Pretty cool really.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Mine really is over 80. Retired from his practice, had lots of demand for medicals so he opened up a one room office near his house. Only does medicals now, no insurance, etc.... Pretty cool really.

EXACTLY what my AME did. Ex-military, also. Seems to have a strong following, lots of FAA ATC people based offshore come to see this guy. But he's a pilot advocate and will go to bat for you with OKC if you need it. So if he wants to look at my retinas 3, 4 or 5 times, I'm good. Only one digital exam per visit, however. I do have scruples

 

[993_Pilot]

If the AMEs do their job properly, there shouldn't be a retirement age.

The only problem is that FAA medicals are based on medical knowledge circa 1947 and kept that way by lobby groups. They really are a joke. An EKG only tells you if you have already had a cardiac event, not if you are at risk for one. It is long past time to come up with new criteria. There are so many overweight, unhealthy and "at-risk" pilots working today that it is not even funny. Being able to pass an FAA medical is not a good indicator of fitness for duty. We all probably know a few few who amazingly continue to squeak by. Sad but true

 

[gunfyter]

The Navy seems to know how to give a good physical. Probable take out half the guys with medicals today.

 

[FoxJet]

Just a reminder....
Over the last 40 years the Dow has soared from less then 1600 to up over 16000. Home prices have increased 10-15 times over, we won't even discuss the price of gold? If I see those kind of gains over the next 30 years I'll be worth approximately 35 million dollars and retired at 60.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Just a reminder....
Over the last 40 years the Dow has soared from less then 1600 to up over 16000. Home prices have increased 10-15 times over, we won't even discuss the price of gold? If I see those kind of gains over the next 30 years I'll be worth approximately 35 million dollars and retired at 60.

Hard to retire even with $35 million when a Starbucks is $83 and a 2000 sf 3-2 house is $3.4 mil.

 

[LAZYB]

Hard to retire even with $35 million when a Starbucks is $83 and a 2000 sf 3-2 house is $3.4 mil.

"Cynicism is an unpleasant way of saying the truth."
--Lillian Hellman

 

[FoxJet]

Hard to retire even with $35 million when a Starbucks is $83 and a 2000 sf 3-2 house is $3.4 mil.

You should own your house by now and we all know you drink Sanka.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Mmmmmmm. Sanka. That was awesome stuff.

My Mom kept it in the pantry. Right next to the Tang.