Part 135 to major....

[Captain Morgan]

True statement; I flew Barons and C310s on the 135 freight scene and when I made the jump to a regional, there was no comparison. While flying 121 was fun, my skills were reduced to rubble after 6 months behind the yoke of an ERJ. Now I'm not saying that 121 guys are not good pilots. They are just not the best that they could be, in my humble opinion.

 

[Windsor]

Also, i still believe 135 pilots are superior to those in the current 121 scene. Skills deteriorate when you come to fly these computers we operate now-a-days...again though, who am i, i am just a past 135 guy now flying 121...what do i know right. So there is my argument for you guys, fire away.

I'm not going to get into the "who is better than who" fight, but I will say this. Running boxes and checks part 135 at night in old fashioned steam guage aircraft is a lot better for the sitck and rudder skills than pressing buttons on an autopilot. I enjoy this type of flying now because its going to be the last time I get to hand fly most of the flight. 121 lets "otto" do a majority of the work.

 

[hydroflyer]

Um, good point. But that has nothing to do with the orgiginal poster's question. For the 100th time. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WHO WAS BETTER! If a 135 only guy wants to go corporate or fractional, great. Get the job you want and be happy. That has nothing to do with the issue of a guy with 135 experince only trying to get on at a 'major".

Make sense?

I didn't refer to one being better then the other either. In response to the "original" question, 135 guys are probably hired on at a major just as often when you consider the percentage of 135 applicants in the resume stack versus other backgrounds. With fewer 135 guys applying comparatively, then there will be fewer brought to interviews and fewer in classes. Your chances of making a major from 135 are based on meeting the published minimums and how hard you work for it.

 

[Freight Dawg]

dojetdriver...We freight dawgs tend to stick together...were like the mafia of aviation. Disrespect one we all take a shot at ya. I definately was a much better pilot flying 135 on demand cargo in a old beat up Lear Jet. We would fly all night after being up all day, go to unfamliar airports in forgien countries and shoot approaches to mins all on steam gauges. I don't know how many times I went into Mexico, or some other Central America Country shooting an approach to an airport I had never been...by the way usually had a good twenty minutes to analyze the approach an situation. Now flying "121" my hand is held like a baby, dispatchers do all of the work, we never fly to an airport that hasn't been evaluated by check airman, and flown into by chk airman. I will never be as proficent as a I was flying the Lear,....but Brown pays better

 

[johnny taliban]

Okay, can't resist this one. The reason these guys are attacking you dojet is because of the "airlines hire airline pilots" statement. I believe I speak for everyone when I say that while your statement may be technically true, it also sounds like something I would read on some kit darby propaganda rag. But don't feel bad dojet because it is also true that airlines hire COMMUTER PILOTS like you all the time as well.

 

[dojetdriver]

Okay, can't resist this one. The reason these guys are attacking you dojet is because of the "airlines hire airline pilots" statement. I believe I speak for everyone when I say that while your statement may be technically true, it also sounds like something I would read on some kit darby propaganda rag. But don't feel bad dojet because it is also true that airlines hire COMMUTER PILOTS like you all the time as well.

If you click on any of the link, I posted, I'm not the first to say it. Go back and respond to the guys the links if you don't like it. If somebody said that airlines like to hire military pilots and it was said by a mil pilot, would you flame his as well?

Funny, I go to Mexico just about every week. Sometimes I go 2 or 3 times a week. Flying DME Arc approaches in non-radar at nightime at my 121 job. Does that make me less of an aviatior than the 135 guy that goes to the same airports night afer night after night after night? Especially if he is flying in some place like Socal or Florida?

You guys are too funny.

 

[CMI]

If you click on any of the link, I posted, I'm not the first to say it. Go back and respond to the guys the links if you don't like it. If somebody said that airlines like to hire military pilots and it was said by a mil pilot, would you flame his as well?

Funny, I go to Mexico just about every week. Sometimes I go 2 or 3 times a week. Flying DME Arc approaches in non-radar at nightime at my 121 job. Does that make me less of an aviatior than the 135 guy that goes to the same airports night afer night after night after night? Especially if he is flying in some place like Socal or Florida?

You guys are too funny.

Yes you are a pu$$y. Try flying on-demand freight, you would actually deserve the hair on your gonads. Try 20-min callout wheels up in an hour of being called, and having to fly to anywhere in North, Central, or South America on a moments notice. No dispatcher to do your flight planning or fuel planning. No jet bridge to walk down into your aircraft, no flight attendant to get you something to drink. We Fr8 dogs go to airports in Mexico US airlines do not go to. You might be better keeping your yap shut unless you know what it is like to fly freight son!

 

[Hawkster54]

Yea but who gets more pu$$y? "Major" airline pilots, Commuter pilots, or freight dogs? That's the real question.

 

[starchkr]

DOjet...I completely was behind you on the first posts you made, because i saw what you "meant" by them, althought maybe not the correct way to say it, but i knew what ya meant. Now as far as your last post with flying into Mexico with the arc's and all...well, you need to compare apples to apples, and not apples to oranges. Those 135 guys fly into the same Mexico airports you do, plus a few others, and do it all by hand with nothing even close to the instrumentation you have (computer wise). I could by those standards say the same about me flying to mexico versus them flying to CA or FL, but i know that my flying computer handles EVERYTHING on ANY approach including arc's, intercepting and altitude constraints, and will meet them without a problem and all HANDS OFF, now you can NEVER say that about the 135 guys. Now put yourself into some of those airports here in the US that the 135 guys "fly into night after night after night" and see if you could do the same things they do by hand with your computers...of course you could, but now NEVER use those computers and see how well you do hand flying EVERYTHING...are you just as good without them by hand? I would doubt it, but remember, i am not attacking you, because i now fly 121 and could NEVER do most of the things that i used to do in 135 period.

Ok, so what was the original thread...oh yeah, you CAN go 135 directly to the majors, no problem.

 

[dickburns]

I think my coworker forgot to mention that the freighter falcons he and I fly have 2 glass tubes on each side, an fms, and a flight director with a decent autopilot, ooops.

 

[dickburns]

the call out sucks big time though!!

 

[Windsor]

Ditto on what starchkr said!! Glass is a lot easier to fly than steam guages anyday. When is the last time you flew a DME arc in Mexico raw data???? I'm guessing never. We do everything raw data and without autopilots at my company.

 

[135fr8r]

Yea but who gets more pu$$y? "Major" airline pilots, Commuter pilots, or freight dogs? That's the real question.

Musicians

 

[FR8dognit]

dojetdriver...We freight dawgs tend to stick together...were like the mafia of aviation. Disrespect one we all take a shot at ya. I definately was a much better pilot flying 135 on demand cargo in a old beat up Lear Jet. We would fly all night after being up all day, go to unfamliar airports in forgien countries and shoot approaches to mins all on steam gauges. I don't know how many times I went into Mexico, or some other Central America Country shooting an approach to an airport I had never been...by the way usually had a good twenty minutes to analyze the approach an situation. Now flying "121" my hand is held like a baby, dispatchers do all of the work, we never fly to an airport that hasn't been evaluated by check airman, and flown into by chk airman. I will never be as proficent as a I was flying the Lear,....but Brown pays better

I am not putting anyone down....but....Freight Dawg is right....the best pilots (stick and rudder, on the spot decision making, and outright problem solving) are pt 135 on demand freight pilots. There are very few people in this world who can stomach some of the things I had to deal with in my 4+ years. To make it you have to think outside the box. I am thankful that I had the opportunity to have those experiences. BUT>....having said that...I wouldn't go back to that life.

Everything he said is dead on accurate...going to an unfamiliar mountainous place at 3am with 4 MELs and a co-pilot that was flying 172's a month ago is the norm....not the exception.

 

[RedDogC130]

I am not putting anyone down....but....Freight Dawg is right....the best pilots (stick and rudder, on the spot decision making, and outright problem solving) are pt 135 on demand freight pilots. There are very few people in this world who can stomach some of the things I had to deal with in my 4+ years. To make it you have to think outside the box. I am thankful that I had the opportunity to have those experiences. BUT>....having said that...I wouldn't go back to that life.

Everything he said is dead on accurate...going to an unfamiliar mountainous place at 3am with 4 MELs and a co-pilot that was flying 172's a month ago is the norm....not the exception.

I agree 100%. I saw 95% of any of the emergency items in the QRH in the Learjet when I flew 135 boxes. Rapid D...check, enigne failures...check, multiple times multiple MEL items...check having to fly from Denver to the East Coast with no press at 10000 feet...check False fire indications that scared the $hisnit out of me...check, a crap load of time with a quick upgrade.....check.

It sucked to watch my sim partner who was flying steam guages for the first time since a -172 in a 737-300 sim after flying an RJ for a bunch of years. I felt bad because he/she had no SA on where he/she was. At the same time, it was refreshing that all I did before came back in a flash. I guess each way gets you to where you want to be so I think it is a crap shoot. It is all about timing. Did I think I would be where I am at in my 20s...I hoped but never thought it would come true.