parking break left on

[mnalpha]

parking brake left on

heard some mesa guys blabbing in the phl crewroom about someone landing with a parking brake on yesterday? any idea where and who pulled that off?

 

[viper548]

Do you know what type of plane?

 

[blackbox]

Did they "brake" the plane?

 

[mnalpha]

i think it was a rj of sorts, just "over heard" the convo so i thought i would ask around here for details

 

[viper548]

In the CRJ you can't accidently set the parking brake. If you try to take off with it on, the plane will give a config alert. If this is true, and if it's in the CRJ, I'd love to know how this happened.

 

[mnalpha]

like i said, not sure, so if thats the case then it must not of been a rj

 

[170Mech]

It was an MDA crew in a 170 @ IAH last monday.

 

[Doug Parker]

It was an MDA crew in a 170 @ IAH last monday.


All the more reason to kkep those aircraft on mainline, away from the amateurs...........

 

[viper548]

any idea how it could have happened?

 

[trip]

Probably monkied with the parking brake in flight for some reason? I've heard of that once before on a Brasilia.

 

[sunchaser]

All the more reason to kkep those aircraft on mainline, away from the amateurs...........

Funny I thought that MDA guys were "mainline................"

 

[Doug Parker]

Funny I thought that MDA guys were "mainline................"

Funny, that's what you get for thinkin !!!

They think they are mainline, but they are a wholly owned. Any J4J USAir pilot flying for MDA is considered 'furloughed' from mainline !!!

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Probably monkied with the parking brake in flight for some reason? I've heard of that once before on a Brasilia.

I was at ASA when it happened on the Brasilia. All the tires blew and the runway was closed until he was towed off. I remember the big fat fukc of a captain who did it too. Nobody liked him anyway.

 

[Dangerkitty]

any idea how it could have happened?

An Expressjet crew did the same thing in an EMB-145 in EWR a few years ago. There is a shuttle valve between the 2 hydraulic systems in which many times one system will be lower than the other due to fluid passing through the shuttle valve.

You can do a little "manuever" with the Parking brake that allows fluid to go back the opposite way to even up the hydraulic levels on both sides. Thats what the Expressjet crew was doing and the left the brake on by accident. For the life of me I don't know why crews mess with it. Just call MX and have them refill the system.

 

[bearcat]

It was an MDA crew in a 170 @ IAH last monday.


All the more reason to kkep those aircraft on mainline, away from the amateurs...........

I know mainline pilots never make stupid mistakes. I hope I get to be one of those someday. Then I can blame the industry and my troubles to the regionals. Wow then I will be cool.

 

[El Bucho]

Probably monkied with the parking brake in flight for some reason? I've heard of that once before on a Brasilia.

In flight the parking brake handle also conviently enough operates the "bomb bay doors". Had a crew in forget to close the "bomb bay doors" in the ATR once. Some other idiots did it in the ERJ a couple years later....dude must have upgraded...


EB

 

[japhy]

It was an MDA crew in a 170 @ IAH last monday.


All the more reason to kkep those aircraft on mainline, away from the amateurs...........

Aren't the MDA crews ex- USAirways pilots?

 

[jws717]

that sucks

 

[EMB170Pilot]

What I was told by our mechanics last tuesday (8/16) if memory serves.....

Either they thought it was like the parking brake of an rj and they tried to slow the airplane down with that...In the 170..the parking brake is in the full down position or full up position...that it......parking brake wont engaged till its in the full upright position...

OR

per system logic..parking brake doesnt engaged till wheel speed reaches zero upon landing.

I dunno if that makes sense or not but either way...why the hell are you messing with the parking brake on landing???????????

 

[Thedude]

MEsa did the same thing in '97 at DFW in the 1900. Landed on 13R and they stopped short enough to make the first turn off. I think the crew was summarliy fired. Good ole Larry Reisley

 

[LearLove]

The parking brake was off and the crew did everything correct as per standard operating ops. The cable binded or got cought and the aircraft did land with the parking brake on. Again the handle was in the full down position, there is no EICAS message when the parking brake is engaged. The crew has been cleared and is out flying the line again or will be tomorrow.

Note for 170 crews, on the landing checklist where you do "EICAS......Checked" you should also make a habit of looking down at the very small parking brake light which is no where near the EICAS panel. Just one of the growing pains of operating a new aircraft type. The crew handeled the incident very well and professionally. Remember boys and girls - Fate is the Hunter.

Also there is not one pilot on the MDA list with less than 6 years 121 exp. Nobody here APL or CEL has less than 5500 tt and there are maybe 10 FO's from the CEL list that did not hold Capt at ALG or PDT at some time. Thats 100% with greater than 5000 hours total time and 98% have 121 PIC time with a type rating of some kind. All in all I'd say a pretty exp'd group of pilots, however you'd have to be a fool or someone who has no clue about this profession to say it precludes anyone here or anyother pilot group for that matter from screwing the pooch.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

It was an MDA crew in a 170 @ IAH last monday.


All the more reason to kkep those aircraft on mainline, away from the amateurs...........

A DHL DC8 also blew all of its tires on landing a few weeks ago. So are they amatures as well? Nice try though dipsh1t.

 

[LegacyDriver]

If you spell "BRAKE" b-r-e-a-k then I am surprised you didn't attend BRIAN BEDFORD'S SCHOOL OF TYPING.


Sheesh.

 

[LearLove]

If you spell "BRAKE" b-r-e-a-k then I am surprised you didn't attend BRIAN BEDFORD'S SCHOOL OF TYPING.


Sheesh.

brake/break whatever, no not bedfords school but I did go to college with Dan Quayle's son.

 

[LegacyDriver]

brake/break whatever, no not bedfords school but I did go to college with Dan Quayle's son.

HA HA HA! Nice save.

 

[Al Murdock]

Expressjet Parking Brake

An Expressjet crew did the same thing in an EMB-145 in EWR a few years ago. There is a shuttle valve between the 2 hydraulic systems in which many times one system will be lower than the other due to fluid passing through the shuttle valve.

You can do a little "manuever" with the Parking brake that allows fluid to go back the opposite way to even up the hydraulic levels on both sides. Thats what the Expressjet crew was doing and the left the brake on by accident. For the life of me I don't know why crews mess with it. Just call MX and have them refill the system.

I know the clown captain who did this. I would say that there is a little more to it. This guy has some major issues. It is scary to think that he is still out there flying around. Becareful Expressjet FOs.

 

[trip]

The cable binded or got cought and the aircraft did land with the parking brake on.

Was the brake on for T/O then also?

 

[OPECJet]

Can I get on the hottie in your avatar for T/O?

 

[MetroSheriff]

Probably monkied with the parking brake in flight for some reason? I've heard of that once before on a Brasilia.

Yeah, but that was a system chief pilot and VP of Flight Ops.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Happened on an XJ SAAB 'bout 4 years back. I think the Capt. bet the FO the anti-skid "touchdown protection" wouldn't allow the parking brake to work.

He lost the bet.