Parker, biting off more than he can chew?

[PHXFLYR]

Lee has a lot to say, and it seems he replies to everyone. People seem to dog him when they have no answers to his debate issues. That is sad. You too PHXFLYR. You seem to cave when you can't reply to him also. He does seem outlandish a lot, but most of the time he has good points. And, he is entertaining.

Interesting what some people consider "entertaining" .Good points? Maybe. But unfortunatly the point he's trying to get across gets diminished in the outlandishness of his posts.

PHXFLYR

 

[Heavy Set]

Interesting what some people consider "entertaining" .Good points? Maybe. But unfortunatly the point he's trying to get across gets diminished in the outlandishness of his posts.

PHXFLYR

I don't think anyone really knows what is going on, and he seems to embelish a lot. But, overall he seems to be very pro Delta, and that should be understood probably when reading his post. He seems to make good points, and some are hard to argue with. That is when people start castigating him.

 

[HomerJ]

Heavy, I think the point people are trying to make about the General is that he seems to be brainwashed that DL cannot and never will do wrong. He loves who he works for, and he defends them to a fault, that's fine. If he would just be willing to concede once in a while that his management team and/or union makes mistakes, he would probably be more effective.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Maybe the pilots should have picketed the National Airlines headquarters in Las Vegas or the Kiwi Airlines headquarters in Newark or the Eastern building in Miami. Maybe they could see the handwriting on the wall.

Keep Delta My Delta*

* Once you are in bankruptcy it's no longer "Your Delta".

 

[Bringupthebird]

Heavy, I think the point people are trying to make about the General is that he seems to be brainwashed that DL cannot and never will do wrong. He loves who he works for, and he defends them to a fault, that's fine. If he would just be willing to concede once in a while that his management team and/or union makes mistakes, he would probably be more effective.

Deluded Employees Love Their Airline


The same one that slashed their pay and stole their pensions to finance poor management decisions. Does their ALPA card have a little picture of Ron Allen on the back?

 

[Bringupthebird]

The real crime is that the DAL pilots (and others) will undoubtedly fall into the same trap that TWA pilots did by willingly give up nearly everything in hopes of saving their airline only to find out later that there never was any intention of saving anything. They are willing accomplices in their own demise.

 

[TWA Dude]

The real crime is that the DAL pilots (and others) will undoubtedly fall into the same trap that TWA pilots did by willingly give up nearly everything in hopes of saving their airline only to find out later that there never was any intention of saving anything.

The problem with that logic is that to avoid what you suggest is the case would mean basically saying, "we're not going to take it and we're going to shut this airline down NOW" ... and then doing it. At what threshold does it actually become worth it to throw away one's job to make a point? A lot of guys talk tough and cheer for others to do it instead of them but the reality is management will always win in the end, one way or another.

 

[Noserider76]

Deluded Employees Love Their Airline


The same one that slashed their pay and stole their pensions to finance poor management decisions. Does their ALPA card have a little picture of Ron Allen on the back?

Might have been able to keep everthing if we didn't have to compete with the lowest compensated employees in the industry. Too many out there were willing to do the job at half of what DL pilots negotiated.

 

[tomgoodman]

Strategy

The problem with that logic is that to avoid what you suggest is the case would mean basically saying, "we're not going to take it and we're going to shut this airline down NOW" ... and then doing it. At what threshold does it actually become worth it to throw away one's job to make a point? A lot of guys talk tough and cheer for others to do it instead of them but the reality is management will always win in the end, one way or another.

True, shutting down the airline might cost pilots more than giving in to management's demands---but the CREDIBLE THREAT of doing so might avoid both bad alternatives. At least, that's the theory on which our national defense policy was based during the Cold War. The tough thing is, you really have to be willing to pull the trigger, or your bluff will be seen through; and if you truly believe that "management will always win in the end", they always will.

 

[xanderman]

What?!?!?!

A lot of guys talk tough and cheer for others to do it instead of them but the reality is management will always win in the end, one way or another.

You disgust me.