Pan Am Clipper Connection

[Traumahawk]

Whats Pay and QOL??

 

[Hung Start]

Not to worry, everybody's a jackass on this board, this writer is close to the top of the list! Good luck, I allways liked Winner Aviation.

 

[RoughAir]

YNGAirport:

You may have missed my previous post on Pan Am (Boston Maine); I was a 727 capt there until recently. They are a scumbag airline; their route structure has floundered for several years; they never could (and probably never will) get anything going, they are under the gun in the past few months by the DOT; they have no money to do anything; they owe money to every station they have previously served; they hire and furlough crewmembers on the spot; they are on the same level as Champion, Planet, and a few other defunct airlines; they get into a market and will pull out on a whim; they have no backup aircraft nor crews; I was there for several years for Boston Maine.

As I have said before, they should have redirected their energy to making the Pan Am name a bigger and better airline, put up with union, and restored the real "Pan AM" to their previous glory. They could have done it. But they didn't want to have a "union" on the property. They have a history of busting the unions on their railroads. Just do a search on them (Guilford Trasnportation is the holding company). They have a right to do that, but have spent tens of millions doing it. It is a private company, so they don't answer to shareholders.

If they succeed in YNG, great for you and them, but they have left battle "scars" all over east of the Mississippi. Their track record speaks for itself.

 

[YNGAirport]

Well I am happy to know my inside source says if Pan Am does indeed leave; there may be a replacement to at least one of the destinations and add one out a bit westerly..

I will have more info as possible...

 

[350DRIVER]

Well I am happy to know my inside source says if Pan Am does indeed leave; there may be a replacement to at least one of the destinations and add one out a bit westerly..

I will have more info as possible...

You have some pretty unreliable sources if you are getting this sort of information. I don't mean to slam you in any way but your "hopes" and "dreams" for YNG and any airline for that matter reside in a fantasy world. Again, history does lie.. I urge you to do some research from Airways Express, Airlink, Vacation Express, etc, and look at why their joy ride came to an end with regards to scheduled pax service in and out of Youngstown. The market that was once there when the steel mills were booming and when IBM had a large operation that required daily flights in and out of YNG are long gone and any suggestion otherwise is merely wishful thinking. The best you will probably see are the casino junket flights that go in and out a few times a week. The local economy is not there present day, take a drive through the once prestigious northside. I sense you are relatively young and don't know what the city "once was" compared to what it is present day.

 

[YNGAirport]

I will give you a list of destinations that would be available NONSTOP to Youngstown:
ATLANTA/CINCY
VEGAS/MYRTLE BEACH
VEGAS/ORLANDO
DULLES

I think you can figure the airlines out now.. And one of those sets is REALLY REALLY Close. And trust me my source is as high as you can get without talking with the director of aviation at the airport.

8 million people within 1 hour of the airport as well..

I'm 23 anyways. Not that young.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Coming soon!

Nonstop service from Beaver County Airport to Youngstown with Saturday service to Johnstown PA via Capital Airlines brand new 19 passenger Metroliner!

 

[YNGAirport]

that Almost made me laugh..

 

[Flywrite]

Man, this thread is great!


It brings back memories of when I was learning to fly and pumping gas at the little FBO at home. We had this reallllly wierd guy who would hang out at the airport all the time. He was completely obsessed with the airport and anything remotely connected to it. He would constantly speculate on which airline would be starting service soon (it was a 4400' strip in western NC in a county with a population around 30,000. A Navajo was a big deal!).

This unhealthy obsession filled the void left by a lack of friends, or even social acquaintences. Eventually he got so wierd and creepy we kept a firearm in the office just in case he snapped one day. This guy reminds me of him.

Really, if you dont hang out on Airliners.net, you should. You would love it over there. There's lots of talk about which airline is best based on their paint schemes and that sort of thing, instead of more realistic things like longevity, safety, employee relations, etc. It really sounds like your cup of tea.

 

[NuGuy]

Really, if you dont hang out on Airliners.net, you should. You would love it over there. There's lots of talk about which airline is best based on their paint schemes and that sort of thing, instead of more realistic things like longevity, safety, employee relations, etc. It really sounds like your cup of tea.

Heyas Fly,

Yea, I know exactly what you mean. I'm not really sure where this obsession comes from. I suppose that the superficially regimented nature of the airline industry/travel really appeals to some psychological profiles. You know, park-->get ticket/check bags--->stand in line again--->goto gate--->stand in line again---->get seat---->stand in line again--->get on plane---->stand in line again and so on and so forth. Very ordered, very sequential, lots of colors, meaningful signs and a vaugely military nature to it.

You would think that anyone with such an obsession would be into something where you could actually participate, like RC aircraft or heck, even save up for a month a take some dual, but I've talked to a couple of airliners.net types that just give me a blank stare when I suggest something like that. Yet these same people will keep detailed notebooks of N numbers, aircraft types, paint jobs and the like.

You see the same thing, although in smaller numbers, with trainspotters.

I'm not saying its wrong or anything, but to me, its like watching golf on TV and making a note of who has what clubs in their bag, when you don't even play the game.

Nu