Palwaukee Flyers Mgmt hits new low!!

[Cambereffect]

Alright so Flyers "Management" aka good old Jim, has hit a new low.
I called a good friend tonight to ask him how he was doing in ground school etc and he tells me the latest crap that Jim has pulled...
So my buddy filled out his PRIA forms and all that. HR for his regional called him to say that Jim wrote down that he had fired my buddy from his instructor postion a year and a half ago... This person personally gave his two weeks notice (I saw it), worked the last two weeks there, and even rented an aircraft from PF after he was done there, so he left on good terms, but apparently, Jim, being the 3 year old he is, decided to potentially f-up this guys career by falsifing documents saying he fired him. My buddy has worked at another place before this curren tone and the last comapny had a really hard time contacting Jim. I am just lost of words with amazment and anger towards the whole thing. Unbelievable. So now my buddy has been trying to reach him with many calls but no answers, same with the hr department at his regional, they keep calling but Jim won't answer anything. How nutless is that?

One question for the people who might still be around that place, is it still open? I heard from somebody who went there recently that it looked like the place was packed up?

Jim has definetly hit a new low, way to go buddy (and Time2spare, don't even respond, I know you're not Jim I have my "Golden" info on that if you see what I mean )

 

[Princedietrich]

Sounds just like George from Cleveland Airsports at BKL. He went out of his way to sabotage the career paths of a few of his former instructors (myself included).

Also sounds a lot like Larry and his clan who run T&G flying club in Cleveland. To be honest I'm suprised I got out of that place alive.

There's a website, unfortunately I can't remember the URL, where you can have this company ship a rancid poo to the target of your choice. Maybe Jim should get a nice valentine's present.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

So my buddy filled out his PRIA forms and all that. HR for his regional called him to say that Jim wrote down that he had fired my buddy from his instructor postion a year and a half ago... This person personally gave his two weeks notice (I saw it), worked the last two weeks there, and even rented an aircraft from PF after he was done there, so he left on good terms, but apparently, Jim, being the 3 year old he is, decided to potentially f-up this guys career by falsifing documents saying he fired him.

I hate to hear of stories like this. I hope it's not true.

Providing reports on prior workers that have even a hint of untruth can be disastrous. I've hear of former employees taking legal action and winning large settlements.

 

[Cambereffect]

I've hear of former employees taking legal action and winning large settlements.

Yeah it might go that way but I can't really talk about that.

Anybody who would do this is just a jealous, immature son of a gun who wishes they were flying something better then their school's 150

 

[aerobato]

I would definitely take legal action against this toolbag. You can't just mess with peoples careers like that.

 

[Princedietrich]

Yeah but honestly, if you sued the guy what would you get? There can't be a whole lot of assets in this DB's operation. Granted, you'd have the satisfaction of slapping the guy around, but would it be worth the legal expense?

 

[leagle]

A couple of years ago Jim sued the owner of a rival flight training operation at PWK for libel - specifically, the rival was referring people to the "Beware of this flight school..." thread here on Flightinfo, which by then consisted of page after page of dissatisfied CFI's and others.

Well, the suit went nowhere and was eventually dismissed, but not before Jim's rival agonized and worried that the whole thing would drive him to bankruptcy.

My point: if the subject of THIS thread is anywhere close to true, that CFI should definitely at least consult with a good attorney or two, just to see where he stands.

 

[Precious]

Check Your Facts... and your spelling....

Cambereffect is, in fact wrong regarding the instructor he's refering too. The former instructor is, in fact training in ground school for that airline. The HR issue was corrected. I checked it out.

Also, leagle is wrong. A Memorandum of Judgement, No. 06 CH 00856 issued on June 12, 2007 in favor of Palwaukee Flyers was issued. They WON their liable suit in the amount of $40,000.00. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying otherwise.

I would hope you both would check your facts and be man enough to publish a correction, but none of us will be holding our breaths.

 

[Swass]

What a schmuck this dude is.

 

[Princedietrich]

Hey Precious, you've obviously never worked for a scumbag flight operation of any kind. Either that, or you're a scumbag flight operation OWNER. In either case, your credibility as far as I'm concerned is less than nil. Those of us who have been given the shaft by one of these people, as I have on numerous occasions and as many others on this board have, can easily spot the type from a mile away.

In reference to your calling me out by PM, no I don't know this Jim fellow but I know the type. It doesn't take a genius to see from the multiple descriptions on here that he's cut from the same cloth as George K and Larry R in Cleveland. I worked for both and would give anything to see both of them go down in Lake Erie to be food for the mutant catfish.

So go back to playing your Xbox and stop wasting our time.

 

[414Flyer]

Its amazing that some dbags will jeopardize their business, livelyhoods and risk legal action, all because they have some ego problem and cant stand it when someone leaves for a better job.

Actually putting something like that on paper that is untrue, is a pretty clear cut case, and if a job opportunity was lost over it, there would be plenty of attorneys willing to go for it.

There was this owner of a flight school/tour operation in Hawaii that would things really similar with PRIA reports. Some of these people just think they are the top of the food chain, and get offended that you do not recognize that and give the appropriate tribute.

 

[leagle]

My bad! Precious, you are right and I am wrong! I was misinformed, and Palwaukee Flyers' lawsuit was not dismissed.

Palwaukee Flyers was, in fact, awarded a $40,000 judgment in June of '07. To be completely accurate, that was a DEFAULT judgment, awarded after Darius, for whatever reason, abandonded the defense of the lawsuit. The $40,000 was a damage amount awarded by the court after unchallenged testimony by the plaintiff at a default prove-up hearing - the defendant was not present (having defaulted).

So I stand corrected. Not exactly the battle of the century, but a "win" nevertheless.

 

[siucavflight]

This is on par for his operation. I started a thread called beware of this flight school, you can find it on here and it is page after page of how bad this guy is.

 

[SLFLYHI]

Don't you have anything better to do?

Cambereffect,

Don't you have anything better to do than to disparage a perfectly fine flight school? Let your buddy fight his own fight - if there really is even one to be had.....

T2S

 

[Rally]

First off.....why is a Flight School filling out PRIA paperwork anyways????

Makes no sense.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yeah but honestly, if you sued the guy what would you get? There can't be a whole lot of assets in this DB's operation. Granted, you'd have the satisfaction of slapping the guy around, but would it be worth the legal expense?

You'd be surprised how civil judgment against someone can essentially end their way of life. That civil judgment will follow them around for the rest of their life. It will control essentially EVERYTHING related to their being able to borrow money...

...car loans, mortgages, refi's, credit cards not getting renewed, etc...

I currently have a civil judgment against a former contractor that did work for me. I have no doubt that one day I'll get a call because this person wants to buy a new car, or get a mortgage, etc...

And when I get that call I think I'll find myself in a fairly good position to "negotiate".

I would think this FBO guy would want to avoid any kind of litigation at all....but it's certainly not hard to initiate a civil case. Get your ducks in order and stick it to him...

 

[ultrarunner]

First off.....why is a Flight School filling out PRIA paperwork anyways????

Makes no sense.

Sigh.....OK, here you go:

Any employer that is 121, 135 or 125 MUST request the aviation employment history of anyone they are seeking to hire.

If I recall, this request goes back at least 5 years.

So, to answer your question, if you happened to be a CFI for some JOE-BLOW-FLIGHT-SCHOOL, and you applied to one of the above type of carriers, they must send the PRIA request to those outfits for them to respond to. You actually fill out the authorization form(s) during the application process.

 

[Precious]

stick what to whom? The guy is gainfully employed with his new carrier. who are you referring to? The guy who lost his $40000 lawsuit for slander?

 

[Princedietrich]

You'd be surprised how civil judgment against someone can essentially end their way of life. That civil judgment will follow them around for the rest of their life. It will control essentially EVERYTHING related to their being able to borrow money...

...car loans, mortgages, refi's, credit cards not getting renewed, etc...

I currently have a civil judgment against a former contractor that did work for me. I have no doubt that one day I'll get a call because this person wants to buy a new car, or get a mortgage, etc...

And when I get that call I think I'll find myself in a fairly good position to "negotiate".

I would think this FBO guy would want to avoid any kind of litigation at all....but it's certainly not hard to initiate a civil case. Get your ducks in order and stick it to him...

Ahaaa, good point. I didn't think of it that way, not being too terribly familiar with the process.

 

[siucavflight]

Darius did not lose the lawsuit for slander. The judge threw out the suit, and made Jim pay Darius lawyers fees.

 

[pilotyip]

A few years age we had pilot back get hired at SWA after a bad PRIA from a 135 dirt bag that he had worked at before coming to USA Jet. If you can fly, are trainable and pleasant to be around, I doubt it will have any effect on your getting the job. Write a letter to the airline; explain what you have explained here. If the airline is messed up enough to go by a single PRIA like that, then you do not want to work there. Try someplace else.

 

[jmreii]

A few years age we had pilot back get hired at SWA after a bad PRIA from a 135 dirt bag that he had worked at before coming to USA Jet. If you can fly, are trainable and pleasant to be around, I doubt it will have any effect on your getting the job. Write a letter to the airline; explain what you have explained here. If the airline is messed up enough to go by a single PRIA like that, then you do not want to work there. Try someplace else.

The man is absolutely right , I have a friend who left Northworst, not the feeders, to go work for southwest. northworst said he was not eligible for rehire because he left before probation was up. southwest just told him to find somebody at northworst who can verify his position and he would be okay. he did and southwest hired him. the difference between a okay company and a great company.