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Over AGE 60 PILOTS TO FLY IN UNITED STATES

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UndauntedFlyer

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On March 11, 2006, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) met and in a nearly unanimous vote, decided to increase the maximum age for airline pilots for ICAO member nations’ pilots from age-60 to age-65.
What that means is this: Effective November 23, 2006, the United States will be legally required to respect the new age-65 limitation and allow all foreign airline pilots from any member nation to operate in our airspace. Pilots over age-60 from ICAO member nations will be able to fly to and from all of our airports. Senior pilots from Canada, Mexico, China, Japan, Korea, Syria, Israel, Jordan, Pakistan, India, Brazil and all European nations except France (France requires all workers to retire at 60), will have a right by United States law to fly into and throughout the United States, but US citizens who are the same age will not be able to fly at all. Instead of working for a living at their professions, our pilots that turn age-60 and are employed by U.S. airlines such as Southwest, Jet Blue, US Air, United, Delta, American and Northwest will all be grounded by FAA regulation. Pilots from all other countries will have a right to make a living flying to and from American airports but American pilots will have no such right. American pilots who are over age-60, no matter that they may be in excellent health, will instead probably become a burden on the government "guaranteed" and financially strapped PBGC as well as the Social Security system when they turn 62. This is all the result of a nearly 50-year old FAA regulation that hasn't keep pace with the rest of the world. Even though our pilots are just as healthy, among the world's best trained and far more experienced than any foreign pilot at flying into the most complex of U.S. airports, this outdated regulation still applies? Why should foreign pilots be allowed to fly into American airports to earn their livings when an American taxpaying family man can not do the same thing? No matter the politics, the principals of equal rights and laws against discrimination should apply here, especially for American’s over foreign workers that pay no U.S. taxes.

The airline pilots who are turning age-60 today and in the next few years are mostly former military veterans, many of whom flew combat missions over Vietnam in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s, some even fought in Desert Storm. That means that many of our most respected citizens, the military veterans who have fought for our country are being grounded every day by bureaucracy in government combined with a labor issue. The time for change on the age-60 rule is long overdue. Is anything at all owed to these Vietnam and Desert storm veterans?

There is now a wall, just like the Berlin Wall, that is dividing ALPA and it gets bigger and bigger every day with the loss of the US Air, United, Delta, and Northwest Airlines defined benefit programs. "A house divided against itself can not stand. It must become one thing or the other," A. Lincoln. The division can not stand, for if it does the Union will fall.

"Mr. Gorbechev, tear down this wall," R. Reagan. The Berlin Wall fell. Does anyone think the age-60 wall will stand? When will it fall?

Comments/questions.......
 
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The Supreme Court disagrees with you. They ruled against a group of Southwest pilots who wanted the rules changed. They stated that they would have to change the rules for more groups, like firemen and policemen. I don't want a 62 year old fireman carrying me out of a burning house. Nope.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Be careful what you wish for!

The FAA has testified that they will respond if Congress meddles with the regs. I don't think we'll like the response.
 
UndauntedFlyer said:
On March 11, 2006, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) met and in a nearly unanimous vote, decided to increase the maximum age for airline pilots for ICAO member nations’ pilots from age-60 to age-65.

What that means is this: Effective November 23, 2006, the United States will be legally required to respect the new age-65 limitation and allow all foreign airline pilots from any member nation to operate in our airspace.

Comments/questions.......

I am sure there is more to the story, the devil is in the details.

Change in the rule is on the horizon but it will still be a few years in the US. Nothing ever gets done in this country without alot of paper pushing, hearings, debates, and of course...lawyers.

I am sure there are quit a few senior captains healthy enough to fly past 60 but I now just a many at 55 that should not be flying. So how do set an age and change the rules that is fair (and safe) to all?
 
The "Wall" will fall on December 23, 2006. There will be no changes in medical certification or anything else except pilots will be able to continue flying to age 65.

ALPA will have large numbers of resignations. The cause, poor leadership in times of change such as now.


Help is needed. Join APAAD.
 
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UndauntedFlyer said:
The "Wall" will fall just before the end of this year. There will be no changes in medical certification or anything else except pilots will be able to continue flying to age 65.

"Agency shop" will disapear in 2007 and ALPA will have large numbers of resignations. The cause, poor leadership in times of change such as now.

Now, THERE is a GOOD prognostication. On both counts.
 
Join APAAD.......That is the answer to the collapse of the Wall.


ALPA can be saved if they act now to tear down the wall that divides the Union. I do now expect this to happen.
 
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UndauntedFlyer said:
Join APAAD.......That is the answer to the collapse of the Wall.

I think in your case it is AARP, time to stay out in the pasture.

The 'Wall' will stand and stay at 60, for everyone's sake.
 

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