Outsourcing (True Story)

[airplane wizard]

The farther you have your head up your a@@, the bigger your bonus is. That is why all the idiots are in management, they would never last if they had to do the actual work that made the company run.

 

[AC560]

The median wage, or the middle class wage (I consider that to be the same thing) is falling.

As I highlighted in the third paragraph of my first post What globalization has done is increased everyone's standard of living. A family making $85K a year is arguably living better and longer than a millionaire did 100yrs ago.

The amount of money you make is not relevant, it is what you can do with it that matters. Flying to Europe or even flying coast to coast; owning 2+ cars; living in 4 bedroom houses; having 6 TV's and 300 channels with nothing on; etc. these are all things not even imaginable 40yrs ago for the middle class.

Today it is and that is what is great about being in America today.

That is why all the idiots are in management, they would never last if they had to do the actual work that made the company run.

Management is always hiring go show them what you can do.

 

[pilotyip]

You are kind of a dip3h1t so I expect at this point I've lost you and you'll

Ah! right on cue, so FI, name calling

 

[cynic]

As I highlighted in the third paragraph of my first post What globalization has done is increased everyone's standard of living. A family making $85K a year is arguably living better and longer than a millionaire did 100yrs ago.

But that is not necessarily BECUASE of globalization and in fact without globalization we might be even better off. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm saying we don't really know that.

The short term effects of globalization included cheaper goods. The long term effects may be a lower standard of living in US; but we don't know that for sure either.

I have slowly come to the conclusion globalization is a net loss for most people in the US. I could be wrong.

I surely hope life continues to improve for people over time as it has over the last 100 years. I for one am not satisfied with my life being better than it would have been 100 years ago. I'd like to see the median wage in our country continue to go up and the standard of living continue to go up as well. It seems others may not agree with that.

 

[pilotyip]

I surely hope life continues to improve for people over time as it has over the last 100 years. I for one am not satisfied with my life being better than it would have been 100 years ago. I'd like to see the median wage in our country continue to go up and the standard of living continue to go up as well. It seems others may not agree with that.

Do you have a proposed solution to isolate us from the world? England attempted this following WWII. The result was a lower standard of living for everyone. repeat of an old post from guy who knows England

From conpilot

Anyway, yes I lived in England from 1956 until 1962. One way I can tell you just how the Labour Party was running England into the ground, was that World War Two rationing was still in effect. That's right, all rationing in England finally ended in July, 1958. The rationing of food had ended in 1954, however, coal which 90% of homes in the UK were heated by, was still rationed until 1958.

The primary reasons for this was the price controls and production limits put into place by the Labour Government. Due to the artificial price controls, wages were held low due to those price controls. Because of this England could not compete in the open market competing against more open free world markets. Because of union protectionism by the Labor Party coal prices were, by law, kept at unrealistic high levels, much higher than the prices in Europe.

Prior to and during World War Two English steel was one of England's most sought after exports. After the war due to the artificial high price of English coal the British Steel Industry could no longer compete on the open market. To make up for the lack of profit due to declining export of steel, the Labour Party forced all of the English Industries to only use English coal, coal imports from Europe were banned.

Thus the once mighty steel industry of the UK was doomed and the trickle down effect started the destruction of the UK auto industry, aircraft industry and the once mighty maritime industry. In a futile attempt to offset this trend, the Labour Party raised taxes on everything to subsidize the industries, to keep the Labour unions happy.

Make no mistake about this, really until Thatcher and the Tory Party took power, the labor unions controlled Great Britain through the Labour Party. The Labour Party was a combination of socialists and union leaders. As long as the Labour Party gave what the union leaders wanted, the rank and file union members voted straight Labour.

 

[AC560]

I have slowly come to the conclusion globalization is a net loss for most people in the US. I could be wrong.

As did many at the time of the industrial revolution. I enjoyed your posts and the spirited debate, a rarity here.

 

[pilotyip]

I enjoyed your posts and the spirited debate, a rarity here.

How about his name calling?

 

[cynic]

Do you have a proposed solution to isolate us from the world?

No. Isolationism is hardly a good solution either. What I propose is that free trade agreements have been quite bad for the American worker. There are options between 'free trade' and no trade.

Perhaps we should have free trade and come up with some new plan for American jobs. It's a HUGE problem that no politician will talk about as free trade is AWESOME for companies like Apple Computer. Do you think Apple would be making as much if they had to manufacture their goods in a free country and pay middle class wages.... ummm.... no. They benefit from slave wages in Asia.

As a result the conversation is off the tables for Republicans and Democrats. They'd rather have a spirited debate on tax rates between 32% and 35%