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Out of work again!!!!!!!!!
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This probably doesn't help much, but the first ten years or so of my flying career, I was often out of work once or twice a year. Company layoffs, companies that closed, companies that moved me and then closed that branch or office, etc. While establishing a flying career, I found myself cleaning supermarket floors, doing night security, servicing ATM's, dispatching for a sheriff's office, watering roses in a greenhouse, working in a rubber stamp factory, driving a delivery truck, substitute teaching high school, and a number of other equally exciting and rewarding jobs.
I'm very sorry to hear of your condition, and I certainly don't mean to make light of it. I'll do anything I can to help or help find work, if I hear of it. I just mention this to say don't get discouraged. It's not so uncommon as folks today might believe; been there many times before, and won't be surprised if I'm there again. It does get better. It does get worse. However, it all goes away after a short time, work is found again, and flying once more commences.
You need to believe that, despite the feelings to the contrary. Things do look bleak at times, and sometimes they are. However, it's a temporary state. Don't just believe that. Know it. I know it, and weather or not your inner self will admit it, you know it too. Sorry to hear of the loss, but things WILL improve.
I'm very sorry to hear of your condition, and I certainly don't mean to make light of it. I'll do anything I can to help or help find work, if I hear of it. I just mention this to say don't get discouraged. It's not so uncommon as folks today might believe; been there many times before, and won't be surprised if I'm there again. It does get better. It does get worse. However, it all goes away after a short time, work is found again, and flying once more commences.
You need to believe that, despite the feelings to the contrary. Things do look bleak at times, and sometimes they are. However, it's a temporary state. Don't just believe that. Know it. I know it, and weather or not your inner self will admit it, you know it too. Sorry to hear of the loss, but things WILL improve.
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"Your point is?"
My point was look into Mil flying. Dont have to worry about layoffs, descent money and a good retirement if you want to do 20. My recruiter called today and said it looks like my packet will be approved. I might hear tomorrow for sure or maybe Monday. I cant wait. Im sick of trying to provide for a family of 3 on a CFI wage. It cant be done and Im sick of starving. I will post my final results when I get them. Why dont you look into it? You not qualified?
My point was look into Mil flying. Dont have to worry about layoffs, descent money and a good retirement if you want to do 20. My recruiter called today and said it looks like my packet will be approved. I might hear tomorrow for sure or maybe Monday. I cant wait. Im sick of trying to provide for a family of 3 on a CFI wage. It cant be done and Im sick of starving. I will post my final results when I get them. Why dont you look into it? You not qualified?
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Hi!
Air WI, ATA and AirTran are hiring.
I'm at USA Jet (YIP) and we have a pool-future classes anticipate-12 Falcon 20s, 12 DC-9s. Across the field Kalitta Air and Murray are also hiring. Cherry Air and Amerijet both have Falcons-don't know if they're hiring.
MILITARY:
Active duty military guys don't fly that much-mostly do paperwork or sit on their ass. Guard/reserve fly a lot more and less bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**.
As to the slackers being weeded out, often it is the opposite. When I was in, a large % of those staying in were either to scared/weak to get out and get a real job, or they sucked but kissed enough butt to stay in. Some of the top performers were let go, because the system didn't recognize that they were excellent (they didn't kiss enough butt).
Also, you may want to go mil, but a lot of people are physically rejected for very minor things.
Additionally, it is NOT secure, like some people think. Periodically, they dump a whole bunch of people in drawdowns.
Cliff
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Air WI, ATA and AirTran are hiring.
I'm at USA Jet (YIP) and we have a pool-future classes anticipate-12 Falcon 20s, 12 DC-9s. Across the field Kalitta Air and Murray are also hiring. Cherry Air and Amerijet both have Falcons-don't know if they're hiring.
MILITARY:
Active duty military guys don't fly that much-mostly do paperwork or sit on their ass. Guard/reserve fly a lot more and less bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**.
As to the slackers being weeded out, often it is the opposite. When I was in, a large % of those staying in were either to scared/weak to get out and get a real job, or they sucked but kissed enough butt to stay in. Some of the top performers were let go, because the system didn't recognize that they were excellent (they didn't kiss enough butt).
Also, you may want to go mil, but a lot of people are physically rejected for very minor things.
Additionally, it is NOT secure, like some people think. Periodically, they dump a whole bunch of people in drawdowns.
Cliff
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FD,
First off, it is a shame you are out of work again. I don't wish that on anyone. Although, I will say you did touch a nerve with your reply to B-J-J Fighter. It would seem to me that if you are going to come on this board and vent your frustrations, then you might be looking for advice. Why reply with a smart a$$ remark (YOUR POINT IS?) when another offers helpful advice?! With your hours, you have been in aviation long enough to know layoffs are the nature of the beast.
Cliff,
Obviously you haven't been active duty for sometime but we hardly just sit around doing paperwork. Yes, there are a lot of additional duties other than flying but its just part of the job. I can only speak for Army aviation, but most units are flying their a$$es off training up for deployments across the ocean, or missions in support of those deployments. And as far as a "drawdown" is concerned, they can't draw us down any more than we are now. We are short pilots big time. Why else would UH-60 pilots stop-lossed, and aviation bonuses offered to all pilots to stay active duty. As far as the other services are concerned, I am sure their families are missing them while they are very busy training or flying in support of the Iraq/Afghanistan missions.
B-J-J Fighter,
Good luck with the packet. If selected try and go guns. Flying will be second most fun thing you could be doing behind sending a $40,000 laser guided Hellfire down range.
58d Guy
First off, it is a shame you are out of work again. I don't wish that on anyone. Although, I will say you did touch a nerve with your reply to B-J-J Fighter. It would seem to me that if you are going to come on this board and vent your frustrations, then you might be looking for advice. Why reply with a smart a$$ remark (YOUR POINT IS?) when another offers helpful advice?! With your hours, you have been in aviation long enough to know layoffs are the nature of the beast.
Cliff,
Obviously you haven't been active duty for sometime but we hardly just sit around doing paperwork. Yes, there are a lot of additional duties other than flying but its just part of the job. I can only speak for Army aviation, but most units are flying their a$$es off training up for deployments across the ocean, or missions in support of those deployments. And as far as a "drawdown" is concerned, they can't draw us down any more than we are now. We are short pilots big time. Why else would UH-60 pilots stop-lossed, and aviation bonuses offered to all pilots to stay active duty. As far as the other services are concerned, I am sure their families are missing them while they are very busy training or flying in support of the Iraq/Afghanistan missions.
B-J-J Fighter,
Good luck with the packet. If selected try and go guns. Flying will be second most fun thing you could be doing behind sending a $40,000 laser guided Hellfire down range.
58d Guy
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I appreciate the helpful comments. I personally didn't see bjjfighters' point.... I already did 4 years in the Air Force. It's a good place for some people. I hope all the best for bjj fighter. I hesitate to post on this board due to the fact that people apparently like to pick fights, no matter what the post is about.. I thought this board was for us to talk and help each other out when we can. Mabe I was wrong.....
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Anaconda,
I wish I could sit around on my a$$ and do a lot of paperwork. It would be a welcomed change that myself and many of my coworkers would welcome. I am sure you would agree, most military units have a very high optempo right now. We might not fly as much as civilian pilots, but we stay busy with other training missions, which I am sure you are very aware of. If all you want to do is fly, and nothing else, then never join the military.
As for the "slackers", well they exist in every profession. (i.e. pilot's flying drunk, freedom air pilots, etc...).
Most important though, FD's current situation is the exact reason I am too "scared" and too "weak" to get out of the military. Both civilian aviation and the current job market are in bad shape. For the military aviators that remain active duty, I don't believe they are weak or scared, but instead love there exciting flying, like a stable paycheck and defending America's freedom.
Good luck, FD I do wish you the best in finding more work!!!!!!!!!!
I wish I could sit around on my a$$ and do a lot of paperwork. It would be a welcomed change that myself and many of my coworkers would welcome. I am sure you would agree, most military units have a very high optempo right now. We might not fly as much as civilian pilots, but we stay busy with other training missions, which I am sure you are very aware of. If all you want to do is fly, and nothing else, then never join the military.
As for the "slackers", well they exist in every profession. (i.e. pilot's flying drunk, freedom air pilots, etc...).
Most important though, FD's current situation is the exact reason I am too "scared" and too "weak" to get out of the military. Both civilian aviation and the current job market are in bad shape. For the military aviators that remain active duty, I don't believe they are weak or scared, but instead love there exciting flying, like a stable paycheck and defending America's freedom.
Good luck, FD I do wish you the best in finding more work!!!!!!!!!!
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FalconDriver,
I feel for you. I as well have had to face great adversity. It is important that you try to maintain a positive attitude. I know that it is hard. I have a saying "It doesn't take a lot of work to be a pessimist, but it does take a lot to be an optomist". Please keep working on that optomism, life goes much better if we can keep that kind of hope.
I lost a job that I thought I would be able to finish my career at. The company closed it flight ops so there is absolutely no chance of ever getting back to work there. No fulough that even sometime in the future that I would be able to take advantage of.
I have a long stories as I am sure that you do as well. In short, please try to keep your chin up and soldier though all of this. You will know what to do and what works for you. I don't think that it's appropriate that people give you the "shoulda, woulda, coulda" lines. As irritating as it might be they are all probably just trying to help.
I will keep my fingers crossed for you, and wish you the best in your job quest. With a little luck we will not have to compete for the same job!
Good Luck & Have Fun!
I feel for you. I as well have had to face great adversity. It is important that you try to maintain a positive attitude. I know that it is hard. I have a saying "It doesn't take a lot of work to be a pessimist, but it does take a lot to be an optomist". Please keep working on that optomism, life goes much better if we can keep that kind of hope.
I lost a job that I thought I would be able to finish my career at. The company closed it flight ops so there is absolutely no chance of ever getting back to work there. No fulough that even sometime in the future that I would be able to take advantage of.
I have a long stories as I am sure that you do as well. In short, please try to keep your chin up and soldier though all of this. You will know what to do and what works for you. I don't think that it's appropriate that people give you the "shoulda, woulda, coulda" lines. As irritating as it might be they are all probably just trying to help.
I will keep my fingers crossed for you, and wish you the best in your job quest. With a little luck we will not have to compete for the same job!
Good Luck & Have Fun!
Ameristar
Ameristar has both Falcon 20`s, and Lear 24/25 on the 135 side. You will be dual qualified. I do believe we are hiring, but only for the Detroit base. The 737`s are on a 121 certificate, and we just aquired 3 DC-9`s from Reliant which will be on a 125 certificate(i feel sorry for those 125 guys). The company pays well, and has decent benefits, but you pay for it with the bad schedule which is 10 days on with 4 days off. Send me a messge if ya want to know more.
Best of luck
Ameristar has both Falcon 20`s, and Lear 24/25 on the 135 side. You will be dual qualified. I do believe we are hiring, but only for the Detroit base. The 737`s are on a 121 certificate, and we just aquired 3 DC-9`s from Reliant which will be on a 125 certificate(i feel sorry for those 125 guys). The company pays well, and has decent benefits, but you pay for it with the bad schedule which is 10 days on with 4 days off. Send me a messge if ya want to know more.
Best of luck
Hey Cliff,
I can not speak for other military units, but since Nov 2001, I have been avg. 110 hours. Since last year I have over 1096 hours. And its going to get worse. I wished I could sit on my but in the guard, but we don't have that luxary.
Terry Vickers
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I can not speak for other military units, but since Nov 2001, I have been avg. 110 hours. Since last year I have over 1096 hours. And its going to get worse. I wished I could sit on my but in the guard, but we don't have that luxary.
Terry Vickers
CRJ/FO
ACA
Temp loan to the military
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Not Alone
FalconDriver,
Just wanted to let you know your not alone in this nightmare. I too am out of work. Been on the streets for 3 weeks now, called everyone I know, called everyone they know and still nothing solid yet.
And there is the key word, "yet", no doubt this situation sucks but all I can do is continue to hit the phones, talk to people at the airport, and solicit help on boards like this. What other choice is there? I made my bed long ago and chose this career, while I'm not fond of unemployment, I wouldn't trade this profession for anything else. I guess what I' trying to say is, Keep the Faith, this to shall pass.
Feeling your Pain,
Rice
And any of you guys out there who know of a couple of decent job openings, I bet there are at least two guys who would be greatful hearing about them.
FalconDriver,
Just wanted to let you know your not alone in this nightmare. I too am out of work. Been on the streets for 3 weeks now, called everyone I know, called everyone they know and still nothing solid yet.
And there is the key word, "yet", no doubt this situation sucks but all I can do is continue to hit the phones, talk to people at the airport, and solicit help on boards like this. What other choice is there? I made my bed long ago and chose this career, while I'm not fond of unemployment, I wouldn't trade this profession for anything else. I guess what I' trying to say is, Keep the Faith, this to shall pass.
Feeling your Pain,
Rice
And any of you guys out there who know of a couple of decent job openings, I bet there are at least two guys who would be greatful hearing about them.
I'm retired Army.. Flew Rotary-Wing and Fixed-Wing.. Didn't sit on my A$$ much- a whole bunch on a Martin Baker.. Close to 6000 hours fixed and rotary when I retired, flew from 1975 to 1981 as a Fixed-wing crewchief 1982 until 1997 as a Aviator.. Retired because of Army management- me being a Fixed-Wing guy when Clinton was gutting the military didn't help.. My extra duties; Instructor Pilot, Supply Officer, Arms Room Officer, Maintenance Test Pilot and best of all "Morale Officer".. Anyway here I am a P.F.C. and enjoying life..
Work with NJA now and enjoy it-Captain on the Excel.. Don't have to worry about layoffs-been here 4 years.. Been unemployed only 3 months since 1975, Thank God.. NJA is a good job, fly about 30 hours a month to some neat places with neat people.. Can only get better.. One thing for sure its nice working for a comapny that just ordered 150+ Jets in this maket!
If I had to do it again I would jump all over the military thing.. Best years of my life and I loved every minute.. I miss my friends a whole bunch and the flying.. Man, I flew all over the world both high and low and have seen some great things-not to mention great people.. Most of all, the retirement check is nice, pays for the house and the college fund for the grandson-so you do get a return on your investment.. Yep 45 and a grandfather!
Falcon Dude.. Try NetJets its a good job.. Good luck to you...
Work with NJA now and enjoy it-Captain on the Excel.. Don't have to worry about layoffs-been here 4 years.. Been unemployed only 3 months since 1975, Thank God.. NJA is a good job, fly about 30 hours a month to some neat places with neat people.. Can only get better.. One thing for sure its nice working for a comapny that just ordered 150+ Jets in this maket!
If I had to do it again I would jump all over the military thing.. Best years of my life and I loved every minute.. I miss my friends a whole bunch and the flying.. Man, I flew all over the world both high and low and have seen some great things-not to mention great people.. Most of all, the retirement check is nice, pays for the house and the college fund for the grandson-so you do get a return on your investment.. Yep 45 and a grandfather!
Falcon Dude.. Try NetJets its a good job.. Good luck to you...
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