Orlando: channel 6 Reports JB moving to MCO

[GBase24]

Actual average price of a house on long island is $350,00 not sure what your talking about yeah a real nice house 500 to 700k, and I am sure Florida will yield much better employee's as long as there isn't a Jerry Springer convention going on.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yeah, life sucks. And everything in life is a compromise. What if they closed the doors and the jobs just went away? Is THAT a better alternative to a relo? For most, I think not.

The state of NY is taxing individuals and businesses to death. Perhaps they should get a clue and try to figure out how to retain businesses and the jobs that go with them. Then companies like JB might not be faced with such a major decision.

BTW - I moved to a tax friendly state (FL) 10 years ago because I wanted to keep more of my hard earned $$. No, not everyone wants to uproot families to save money. But then again perhaps a good number of the 1000 people you refer to would welcome the move.

What about jb employees that are from NY and have sick family members that depend on jb health care plans, the employees income and close proximity to care for them....?

Glad you did for you what you wanted to do..... but one size doesn't fit all....

 

[bluesideup340]

What about jb employees that are from NY and have sick family members that depend on jb health care plans, the employees income and close proximity to care for them....?

Glad you did for you what you wanted to do..... but one size doesn't fit all....

Rez get of your high horse

What about the pilot who doesn't want ALPA politics? Remember one size doesn't fit all.

I have to give you that -- you are a piece of work.

 

[StarChecker]

What about jb employees that are from NY and have sick family members that depend on jb health care plans, the employees income and close proximity to care for them....?

Glad you did for you what you wanted to do..... but one size doesn't fit all....

Depend on JetBlue health plans??? For what?!?!

Sucking money out of my pocket?....:angryfire

 

[StarChecker]

What about the pilot who doesn't want ALPA politics? Remember one size doesn't fit all.

What about the rest of us who want a B-fund? Or a seperate health plan?

Have you read the e-mails from our own committees?


From the CBC:


"Members of the CBC made numerous efforts to influence the shaping of the 2010 benefits package. During the several months when the final package was being crafted we found ourselves on the outside and unable to engage the People department in any meaningful way. Essentially we were frozen out when all of the decisions were being made."


From the PVC:


"Many changes within our department are occurring without our knowledge. Flight Operations created a new vision for our department without the involvement or collaboration with the PVC. It was presented to senior leadership last December, unfortunately they failed to share the contents of this briefing with us; we hope this vision provides the needed structure to grow a healthy relationship between JetBlue and its pilots. We are disappointed we did not learn of these changes from CA Sandoval, much like the change to the FSM approval process, nor are any of these changes occurring in collaboration with the Pilot Values Committee."




Wake up! This is happening right now. Remember all the "We get it's" we heard?!

This is the direct relationship we were promised....it's a fantasy. Show me the alternative to ALPA that will get me a B-fund and I'm all for it. Guess what? There is none...a B-fund is illegal without a CBA.

I may need surgery this year....wish I had a number I could call for confidential advice regarding my medical...guess I'll call f-ing AOPA.

We need a CBA....yesterday. I know a union is a two-edged sword, but we need a CBA...please vote for the road to a CBA. Me and family can't afford to wait anymore.

 

[GuinessGuy]

I also want white shirts.........and hats

 

[bluesideup340]

What about the rest of us who want a B-fund? Or a seperate health plan?

How may ALPA pilot groups have a B fund?


What makes you think a seperate health plan under a CBA is going to be better?

 

[StarChecker]

How may ALPA pilot groups have a B fund?

Your ignorance is astounding, but I will be happy to educate you if it gets you thinking:

Airtran: B-Fund 10.5%
Alaska: 401K with a 13.5% contribution
Continental: A-Fund 2.20%/B-Fund 12.75%
Delta: B-Fund 10%
FedEx: A-Fund 2%/B-Fund 7%
Hawaiian: A-Fund 2.40%/ 401K Match up to 19.4%
United: B-Fund 10%/C-Fund 7%
US Airways: B-Fund 10%

American is not ALPA...but I'll include them anyway since they're in our peer set:
A-Fund 1.25%/B-Fund 11%



Almost all of them have B-funds, genius. Any that don't have MUCH higher contributions from the company than we do. Even the contributions we do get from the company are NOT included in our individual contracts. They can be taken away at any time.

We cannot have a B-Fund without a CBA. It's illegal. We need a CBA yesterday.



As for health insurance...here's what I get with a seperate health insurance plan under a CBA that I don't get now....


A VOTE!


We cannot have a seperate health insurance plan than everyone else without a CBA. We need a CBA yesterday.


Our process doesn't work....please re-read the emails I attached above from our own committees. We need a CBA yesterday.

Questions? Please vote for a CBA.

 

[Blue Dude]

How may ALPA pilot groups have a B fund?


What makes you think a seperate health plan under a CBA is going to be better?

The question you ought to be asking yourself is: Given that the company has repeatedly promised us PSIA in all areas of compensation and benefits, how are they going to deliver without a pilot CBA? Answer: without bringing the benefits of the entire company to major airline pilot PSIA, they can't. Even if they did, the 401(k) would still fail every year, which costs millions every year to fix. They can't and won't match benefits for everyone. Instead, they consider the matter all but closed by adjusting only the pay rates and hoping you'll keep quiet about the rest. That should concern you.

 

[tzflyer]

Starchecker,
I think we do have a number for medical help, through a doctor in ATL I think. I used it a couple of years ago for something minor and they were a good help. Not quite the ALPA aeromedical, but they did get right back to me with the proper info.
Poke around on the pilot page on hello JB to find it
TZ

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez get of your high horse

What about the pilot who doesn't want ALPA politics? Remember one size doesn't fit all.

I have to give you that -- you are a piece of work.

Negative. I said nothing of union politics. The attitude was like that of pilots who think commuting is a choice for some. With comments like.. just move to base. Usually but not always those comments come from a single guy with minimal responsibility....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey bluesideup...... looks like your fellow blue pilots have brought up unions and politics.... so since the door is open.... try this....

If you guys get bought out..... if.... most likely it will be by a union carrier... if you don't have representation, the union guys are not going to represent you. Nor shall they be expected. Nor can they, they have no legal rights. You will count on their benevolence. No one cares about jB pilots more than jB pilots. However if you don't have a structure and a legal basis to represent yourselves... you are at the mercy of the current.

Why anyone would choose to be unrepresented is truly astonishing....

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Hey bluesideup...... looks like your fellow blue pilots have brought up unions and politics.... so since the door is open.... try this....

If you guys get bought out..... if.... most likely it will be by a union carrier... if you don't have representation, the union guys are not going to represent you. Nor shall they be expected. Nor can they, they have no legal rights. You will count on their benevolence. No one cares about jB pilots more than jB pilots. However if you don't have a structure and a legal basis to represent yourselves... you are at the mercy of the current.

Why anyone would choose to be unrepresented is truly astonishing....

How many TWA pilots and flight attendants are at American still? How about Midwest or Frontier/Lynx pilots at Republic? How many furloughed at American and oh yeah, possibly 300 at UPS too? How long does it take to get a contract at Airtran 5+ years? How much did ALPA pay United pilots in their settlement case, $44 million? Or how much did American's Union pay the company in their lawsuit years back-- $45 million. How long before USAirways mends their ways. Oh, I'd love to have everything SWA pilots have, but then again, ask the ATA guys too.

 

[Fins Up]

Negative. I said nothing of union politics. The attitude was like that of pilots who think commuting is a choice for some. With comments like.. just move to base. Usually but not always those comments come from a single guy with minimal responsibility....

Commuting is a choice for all pilots. No one is forcing you to live where you do, but moreso, no one is forcing you into the life of an airline pilot. If you want to work 9-5, be home every night, and have weekends off, you're either really senior or in the wrong line of work.

Every pilot knows (or should know) what they're getting into before taking this job. Are commuting or base locations a secret? I don't think so.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Commuting is a choice for all pilots. No one is forcing you to live where you do, but moreso, no one is forcing you into the life of an airline pilot. If you want to work 9-5, be home every night, and have weekends off, you're either really senior or in the wrong line of work.

Every pilot knows (or should know) what they're getting into before taking this job. Are commuting or base locations a secret? I don't think so.

When does it end? Especially with airlines like Colgan who have/had outbasing. The ability to shift "job locations" is large.

The point is the original tool that brought up the subject matter might've been a single guy with zero responsibility. Regardless he applied his values and lifestlye to everyone... nonchalantly stating... just move. Insnesative and disrepectful. Managment should provide resources in moving.. but when tools like this gladly do it for free.... it makes it difficult for everyone....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How many TWA pilots and flight attendants are at American still? How about Midwest or Frontier/Lynx pilots at Republic? How many furloughed at American and oh yeah, possibly 300 at UPS too? How long does it take to get a contract at Airtran 5+ years? How much did ALPA pay United pilots in their settlement case, $44 million? Or how much did American's Union pay the company in their lawsuit years back-- $45 million. How long before USAirways mends their ways. Oh, I'd love to have everything SWA pilots have, but then again, ask the ATA guys too.

Apply all of your examples above to someone without representation. You make the assumption that union reprsentation is suppossed to win favorable everytime and with findfalls.....

I'd get your jb pilot house in order... everything is done thru the legal process....

 

[GuinessGuy]

Now back to the original point of the thread........WHITE SHIRTS NOW!!!!!

 

[Fins Up]

Now back to the original point of the thread........WHITE SHIRTS NOW!!!!!

No way! I saw a Summit Security guy in a white shirt. I don't want to look like them.

 

[Cheeta]

Now back to the original point of the thread........WHITE SHIRTS NOW!!!!!

WHITE SHIRTS NOW!

A poll is coming out in a few weeks from the uniform committee.

 

[viper01]

WHITE SHIRTS NOW!

A poll is coming out in a few weeks from the uniform committee.

Really? If that's true then count me in for the white shirt.