Option Rats (not just management)

[nomore]

If you know of Flops pilots doing OT, flying broken airplanes, going over 14 let me know via PM and I'll see that the list gets distributed discreetly. It irks me that these freeloaders will get their raises on the backs of the 70 and others.

 

[netjetwife]

The NJA pilots took their first step in becoming a Strong Union when they realized that they all had to pull together if they were going to crawl out of the low wages pit they had slid into when being apathetic. It's amazing what a group can accomplish when they stand together. Here's the analogy I shared when the NJ pilots were at the bargaining table: A standing ovation is much more impressive when everyone surges to their feet at the same time. Stragglers stand out like a sore thumb and weaken the overall presentation. Likewise, protesters are better heard when they all raise their voices together in one loud and clear message. Pilots not pulling their weight by following their Union's directives are literally taking money away from their fellow pilots and the family members by delaying the contract.

 

[Galaxy]

If you know of Flops pilots doing OT, flying broken airplanes, going over 14 let me know via PM and I'll see that the list gets distributed discreetly. It irks me that these freeloaders will get their raises on the backs of the 70 and others.

Why be discreet? Post em here.. Let them tell the sob story of why over and over..

 

[nomore]

Got Deleted

Why be discreet? Post em here.. Let them tell the sob story of why over and over..

I tried that last night and it got deleted by the administrator. Not allowed to post names. If you want the list PM me.

 

[mynameisjim]

I tried that last night and it got deleted by the administrator. Not allowed to post names. If you want the list PM me.

What's a secret list going to do to change things?

 

[nomore]

What's a secret list going to do to change things?

If you know of Flops pilots doing OT, flying broken airplanes, going over 14 let me know via PM and I'll see that the list gets distributed discreetly.

I didn't say secret I said discreetly.

 

[B19 Flyer]

The NJA pilots took their first step in becoming a Strong Union when they realized that they all had to pull together if they were going to crawl out of the low wages pit they had slid into when being apathetic. It's amazing what a group can accomplish when they stand together. Here's the analogy I shared when the NJ pilots were at the bargaining table: A standing ovation is much more impressive when everyone surges to their feet at the same time. Stragglers stand out like a sore thumb and weaken the overall presentation. Likewise, protesters are better heard when they all raise their voices together in one loud and clear message. Pilots not pulling their weight by following their Union's directives are literally taking money away from their fellow pilots and the family members by delaying the contract.

33% didn't want the union, or did you forget that?

They and all of those terminated non-pilot employees are suffering through all this crap because of selfish people like you.

But, you are proud of unions. I'm even prouder to be non-union.

 

[choppengruven]

I thought I smelled cabbage.

 

[skanza]

I tried that last night and it got deleted by the administrator. Not allowed to post names. If you want the list PM me.

Post thier four letter...

 

[slowjet]

B-19

The 33% who did not want a union are the same filthy trash like you and FLOPS management.

Slowjet--one of the 70 fired for being a professional.

 

[gret]

What is the purpose of this? Will it accomplish anything that is constuctive?

At the end of the day, isn't the right answer doing our job right and if the person who pays us is a jerk, shouldn't we just leave rather than bi*tch?

 

[CALRepublic]

At the end of the day, isn't the right answer doing our job right and if the person who pays us is a jerk, shouldn't we just leave rather than bi*tch?

I don't think I'd have have the stomach to hang around that place. Everything is tainted now. The CEO is a SOB, the company's reputation might be beyond repair, and now anomosity amongs the pilot group.


Easy for me to say, I'm not in your situation, but even you guys get an industry leading contract tomorrow, I'd still try to get the hell out of there.

 

[nomore]

Seniority Based

What is the purpose of this? Will it accomplish anything that is constuctive?

At the end of the day, isn't the right answer doing our job right and if the person who pays us is a jerk, shouldn't we just leave rather than bi*tch?

Gret that's easy to say and hard to do, Flops management has not tried to improve the business only destroy it. So I should leave and start at the bottom somewhere else? That's flying and I know it yet it rankles all of us when we see a place with great people wrecked from the top down. Tyler, Argawal and Sheeringa have left a wake of destruction in their paths from their very first aviation jobs. And others have to pay not them.

 

[glasspilot]

B-19

The 33% who did not want a union are the same filthy trash like you and FLOPS management.

Slowjet--one of the 70 fired for being a professional.

Careful Slowjet,

Voting in a union is just like any other election. The union people push their ideas, management pushes their ideas and in the end people decide and cast a ballot. The result is something the ENTIRE group agrees to live with because in the USA we have a belief that "majority rules".

Don't throw the 33% that voted against under the bus. They are still part of the pilot group and the union needs them. Flops needs to stand as ONE group and even the folks that voted against the union before are now part of the union and deserve to be welcomed into the fold.

Look at Obama right now. Do you think he could tell all the Clinton supporters to sod off now? Of course not. He needs them. And after November if he wins he won't get very far telling everyone that voted for McCain they're "un-American".

On the other hand, to the people who voted against the union, you have lost and are now part of the union. Behave that way or find a new job. There is no excuse for OT, working outside the established rules or anything else that damages YOUR union.

 

[netjetwife]

Well said, Glass. While I agree with your assessment of the situation, it's very easy to understand why Slowjet is so disgusted. You can take the 33% out of his post but the others are earning their reputation.

SJ, I bet many of the no-voters are no longer sitting on the fence. Surely the latest act of intimidation pushed the last of them over to the pilot's side. A strong union isn't born that way. It gathers strength as it goes along. Best Wishes! NJW

 

[hogbody]

Great idea

Nomore,
I'll gladly PM you the names of anyone doing OT, flying over 14 hrs or doing anything else "scab-like". Great idea. The list will certainly serve a useful purpose. Thanks.

Hogbody

 

[B19 Flyer]

Well said, Glass. While I agree with your assessment of the situation, it's very easy to understand why Slowjet is so disgusted. You can take the 33% out of his post but the others are earning their reputation.

SJ, I bet many of the no-voters are no longer sitting on the fence. Surely the latest act of intimidation pushed the last of them over to the pilot's side. A strong union isn't born that way. It gathers strength as it goes along. Best Wishes! NJW

Take out the 33%?

But why? You don't have the vision that they did. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't want this union crap.

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives. The majority of them will leave and go to one of the other non-union fracs first.

 

[nomore]

B19 Flyer

B19 Flyer This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

Shut up and get out of my thread. No one cares what you have to say. And you can't do anything about it.

 

[brokeflyer]

Take out the 33%?

But why? You don't have the vision that they did. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't want this union crap.

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives. The majority of them will leave and go to one of the other non-union fracs first.

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hey scab......we didnt ask for you opinion.

this thread is about flight options.....not the b19 union drive......lol

you so pathetic i can't stand it anymore.....you make me laugh so hard.

id the thread was titled "Option Rats (not just management)...what do you scabs think?"

then you can chime in......but it didnt so your comments don't count...better luck next time rookie.

 

[guido411]

Take out the 33%?

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives.

You miss out on a very important point...just because the Union vote passed by 67% doesn't mean that 33% voted AGAINST the Union. How many of those people didn't vote because they weren't sure yet? How many sat on the proverbial "fence"? How many of the 33% fell on the Union side after the fence was knocked down? Saying that 33% of the pilot group was against Unionization is a misrepresentation of fact.