Option Rats (not just management)

[gret]

What is the purpose of this? Will it accomplish anything that is constuctive?

At the end of the day, isn't the right answer doing our job right and if the person who pays us is a jerk, shouldn't we just leave rather than bi*tch?

 

[CALRepublic]

At the end of the day, isn't the right answer doing our job right and if the person who pays us is a jerk, shouldn't we just leave rather than bi*tch?

I don't think I'd have have the stomach to hang around that place. Everything is tainted now. The CEO is a SOB, the company's reputation might be beyond repair, and now anomosity amongs the pilot group.


Easy for me to say, I'm not in your situation, but even you guys get an industry leading contract tomorrow, I'd still try to get the hell out of there.

 

[nomore]

Seniority Based

What is the purpose of this? Will it accomplish anything that is constuctive?

At the end of the day, isn't the right answer doing our job right and if the person who pays us is a jerk, shouldn't we just leave rather than bi*tch?

Gret that's easy to say and hard to do, Flops management has not tried to improve the business only destroy it. So I should leave and start at the bottom somewhere else? That's flying and I know it yet it rankles all of us when we see a place with great people wrecked from the top down. Tyler, Argawal and Sheeringa have left a wake of destruction in their paths from their very first aviation jobs. And others have to pay not them.

 

[glasspilot]

B-19

The 33% who did not want a union are the same filthy trash like you and FLOPS management.

Slowjet--one of the 70 fired for being a professional.

Careful Slowjet,

Voting in a union is just like any other election. The union people push their ideas, management pushes their ideas and in the end people decide and cast a ballot. The result is something the ENTIRE group agrees to live with because in the USA we have a belief that "majority rules".

Don't throw the 33% that voted against under the bus. They are still part of the pilot group and the union needs them. Flops needs to stand as ONE group and even the folks that voted against the union before are now part of the union and deserve to be welcomed into the fold.

Look at Obama right now. Do you think he could tell all the Clinton supporters to sod off now? Of course not. He needs them. And after November if he wins he won't get very far telling everyone that voted for McCain they're "un-American".

On the other hand, to the people who voted against the union, you have lost and are now part of the union. Behave that way or find a new job. There is no excuse for OT, working outside the established rules or anything else that damages YOUR union.

 

[netjetwife]

Well said, Glass. While I agree with your assessment of the situation, it's very easy to understand why Slowjet is so disgusted. You can take the 33% out of his post but the others are earning their reputation.

SJ, I bet many of the no-voters are no longer sitting on the fence. Surely the latest act of intimidation pushed the last of them over to the pilot's side. A strong union isn't born that way. It gathers strength as it goes along. Best Wishes! NJW

 

[hogbody]

Great idea

Nomore,
I'll gladly PM you the names of anyone doing OT, flying over 14 hrs or doing anything else "scab-like". Great idea. The list will certainly serve a useful purpose. Thanks.

Hogbody

 

[B19 Flyer]

Well said, Glass. While I agree with your assessment of the situation, it's very easy to understand why Slowjet is so disgusted. You can take the 33% out of his post but the others are earning their reputation.

SJ, I bet many of the no-voters are no longer sitting on the fence. Surely the latest act of intimidation pushed the last of them over to the pilot's side. A strong union isn't born that way. It gathers strength as it goes along. Best Wishes! NJW

Take out the 33%?

But why? You don't have the vision that they did. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't want this union crap.

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives. The majority of them will leave and go to one of the other non-union fracs first.

 

[nomore]

B19 Flyer

B19 Flyer This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

Shut up and get out of my thread. No one cares what you have to say. And you can't do anything about it.

 

[brokeflyer]

Take out the 33%?

But why? You don't have the vision that they did. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't want this union crap.

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives. The majority of them will leave and go to one of the other non-union fracs first.

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hey scab......we didnt ask for you opinion.

this thread is about flight options.....not the b19 union drive......lol

you so pathetic i can't stand it anymore.....you make me laugh so hard.

id the thread was titled "Option Rats (not just management)...what do you scabs think?"

then you can chime in......but it didnt so your comments don't count...better luck next time rookie.

 

[guido411]

Take out the 33%?

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives.

You miss out on a very important point...just because the Union vote passed by 67% doesn't mean that 33% voted AGAINST the Union. How many of those people didn't vote because they weren't sure yet? How many sat on the proverbial "fence"? How many of the 33% fell on the Union side after the fence was knocked down? Saying that 33% of the pilot group was against Unionization is a misrepresentation of fact.