Option Rats (not just management)

[hogbody]

Great idea

Nomore,
I'll gladly PM you the names of anyone doing OT, flying over 14 hrs or doing anything else "scab-like". Great idea. The list will certainly serve a useful purpose. Thanks.

Hogbody

 

[B19 Flyer]

Well said, Glass. While I agree with your assessment of the situation, it's very easy to understand why Slowjet is so disgusted. You can take the 33% out of his post but the others are earning their reputation.

SJ, I bet many of the no-voters are no longer sitting on the fence. Surely the latest act of intimidation pushed the last of them over to the pilot's side. A strong union isn't born that way. It gathers strength as it goes along. Best Wishes! NJW

Take out the 33%?

But why? You don't have the vision that they did. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't want this union crap.

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives. The majority of them will leave and go to one of the other non-union fracs first.

 

[nomore]

B19 Flyer

B19 Flyer This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

Shut up and get out of my thread. No one cares what you have to say. And you can't do anything about it.

 

[brokeflyer]

Take out the 33%?

But why? You don't have the vision that they did. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't want this union crap.

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives. The majority of them will leave and go to one of the other non-union fracs first.

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hey scab......we didnt ask for you opinion.

this thread is about flight options.....not the b19 union drive......lol

you so pathetic i can't stand it anymore.....you make me laugh so hard.

id the thread was titled "Option Rats (not just management)...what do you scabs think?"

then you can chime in......but it didnt so your comments don't count...better luck next time rookie.

 

[guido411]

Take out the 33%?

You are nuts to think that when bad things happen, those pilots who were part of that 33% not voting for the union are sitting on the fence and will side with the union.

On the contrary, when bad things happen, that 33% that didn't want the union in the first place will always dislike management for the decisions that were made, but are not going to just hop the wall and support the union for the turmoil they brought to their personal lives.

You miss out on a very important point...just because the Union vote passed by 67% doesn't mean that 33% voted AGAINST the Union. How many of those people didn't vote because they weren't sure yet? How many sat on the proverbial "fence"? How many of the 33% fell on the Union side after the fence was knocked down? Saying that 33% of the pilot group was against Unionization is a misrepresentation of fact.

 

[waka]

B19 Flyer This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

Shut up and get out of my thread. No one cares what you have to say. And you can't do anything about it.

B19 Flyer This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.


I also set this fool on ignore status a while ago.....although not soon enough. He is an ignorant troll that has deluded himself that he is actually doing good. He needs this message board to validate his miserable existence.

It is fortunate for the profession that he is no longer able to fly. Now his gutless self can sit in his middle manager cubicle and fantasize about destroying lives like his heroes Scheeringa, Lorenzo, Icahn et al. That won't ever be a reality because he is just an ass kissing middle manager suck-up that can't even post simple cogent arguments on a message board. What a waste of a life.

He would do the world better by joining his chicken$hit friend that offed himself.

 

[brokeflyer]

yeah id say its time to boycott b19.....just ignore all posts and continue the conversation.....

its one of those rare things that WILL go away if you just ignore it.

 

[fischman]

I heard FLOPS has some rats there.

 

[dime line]

I heard FLOPS has some rats there.

Ya Think?

 

[netjetwife]

Every big group has at least a few. It was my experience during the NJ contract dispute that rats come in two species: the very selfish to the bone type and the kind so scared they cower and whine when it's time to make a stand. I had lots of exchanges with both during 2005. One wife even called me at home as I was getting ready to attend a road show and protest the POSTA. She wanted me to vote for it. She had listened to all the FUD and told me I was going to make her husband lose her job... The selfish and the scared have to be dragged along during the contract battle, but are real quick to scurry off to the bank with their new payraise...

 

[fischman]

I heard FLOPS has some rats there.

Ya Think?

Yes. I think.

(Just bringing the thread back on track from B19's FUD)

 

[skyismyoffice]

You miss out on a very important point...just because the Union vote passed by 67% doesn't mean that 33% voted AGAINST the Union. How many of those people didn't vote because they weren't sure yet? How many sat on the proverbial "fence"? How many of the 33% fell on the Union side after the fence was knocked down? Saying that 33% of the pilot group was against Unionization is a misrepresentation of fact.

Good point. I was one of the 33% until I finally 'saw the light' a few months after the vote passed. I'm all in now.

 

[netjetwife]

Good for you, Sky! Welcome in from the cold. It's to your credit that you told us; that adds to your credibility.

It might seem like it now, but actually it took awhile for SU to gather steam. It was a grass roots movement that took some time to grow, but that's fine. Slower built but stronger is better than thrown together with shallow commitments.

I agree with those who say that management gets the Union response they deserve. Options pilots didn't recklessly seek change they got pushed into it by lousy treatment and unfair pay.

 

[glasspilot]

NJW, you call it selfish and scared.

It's more Freudian than that. It's a classic use of emotions that management has been using since Frank Lorenzio and probably before.

Management knows that there are two emotions that every single human has and they are very powerful emotions. They are Fear and Greed.

Management can get just about anything passed using these emotions. Say management wants pilot pay cuts. Nobody would ever vote for that right? Watch:

They split the pilot group into thirds. They use Fear on the bottom third and tell them that if the company can't get the pay cuts then there will be furloughs. Out of fear of losing their jobs the bottom third votes for the pay cuts.

They use Greed on the top third. They tell them that if the company can get pilot pay cuts then they will be able to secure financing for larger aircraft. Out of greed to fly bigger aircraft and then make more money the top third vote for the pay cut.

The middle third is the only group thinking clearly and vote "no", but they are outnumbered 2 to 1 and guess what...the pilot group passes pay cuts.

This strategy can be employed for just about anything management wants. My only point is beware of the Fear and Greed trick. Any time you see management try to split the group into thirds they are using this tactic. Fear and Greed are VERY powerful emotions, second only to hunger and sex I'll bet.

Fly safe and think clearly.

 

[Captain Dork]

Actually there are Four Motivators

Fear, Greed, Horny, and Sleepy. I am particularily affected by the Sleepy motivation.

Actually this is supposed to be serious...

The going after the overtime dooers vendetta-it's going to be sloppy. Say somebody doesn't make the final airline connection. At FO we are typically scheduled on the last flight of the night. I live in the frozen northlands and have either missed the last trip of night, or end up on the bus or in a hotel when the last trip on the airlines cancels due to a mechanical (four hour bus trip from the hub), regularily (four times in twelve months). If you want to be mean to me, I can probably take it, but no more buying lap dances for everybody.

Maybe we could just post the people we really don't like, and why.