Ops management call for 2 extra meetings

[Phoenix]

It's NOT offical

its official that the management of Flops have called for 2 meetings in Jan of 08'. This is a significant turn, stay strong fellow 1108-ers.

It is NOT official that management has called for additional negotiations days in January or any other time. To the contrary, union negotiators have formally, in writing, proposed to management that we increase the number of days we meet and to date management has repeatedly denied them. Who ever you are being fed this information from either has no clue what he is speaking of or you are intentionally being given false information for some other management motive.

To Voice of reason I have just one question. What specifically are you beating your "what are the lawyer doing" drum about.

 

[CastofThousands]

When management instigates a fight with a strong group of professional union pilots by failing to provide professional job security, wages, benefits, and working conditions real professional union pilots don’t call the lawyers. Unlike management, professional union pilots won’t hide behind lawyers – professional union pilots don’t ask others to do the heavy lifting for them – professional union pilots won’t ask attorneys to do their dirty work (like cowardly management), if you will. Professional union pilots step into the fight and don’t back down; the fight that management initiated and only management can end. With a chilling degree of ice in their veins these professional union pilots perform day-in-and-day-out to the highest professional standards – as they should.

Any pilot that depends on lawyers to fight lost that fight well before it ever started. The lawyers aren’t in the ring exchanging blows - they’re in the corner giving advice – keeping score – and some acting as a “cut man.” The pilots are in the ring with management. Remember, management initiated this fight and only management has the ability to end it.

In life, never ask anyone else to do the heavy lifting or dirty work unless you want a half assed job; figuratively and literally. The lawyers can kiss my back side – I will take a strong professional union pilot, or group of pilots, every day of the week. Then let the lawyers mop up.

Why is it [amateur] management always feels and acts like they are better, smarter, and superior to pilots? Why does [amateur] management insist on putting personal pride before sound business practices? Why is it [amateur] management always feels like they are dealing with “weak” white color professionals with no backbone, eager to capitulate? If it wasn’t proven to be so stupid time and time again, it would be laughable… Unfortunately, management drug every pilot’s family into this fight and that is where this [amateur] management lost this fight well before it started, no matter how long it takes. Never drag a pilot’s family through the [capitalistic union busting] mud and ask the pilot to turn a blind eye later. The pilot can always find a new job easier than a new family.

Management is killing Flight Options … and only management can end the fight they started. It always gets worse before it gets better, thanks to management's actions … so I say … I would worry about the pilots, a-hell-of-a lot more than ANY lawyer!

 

[FRLWD]

:::crickets::: What?

Haven't heard from you in a while.

Any chance we could get a retort?

 

[NETFLIER]

my information is not ment to hurt, i have a very good source, it was information i was givin so I passed it on.

but time will tell

 

[TurboJetCpt]

TWO meetings? To negotiate??? Shouldn't there have been at LEAST that many going on already? My gahd, this "contract" will appear approx 2108 won't it? What in the H*** have those lawyers been doing?
Oh yeah...focusing on the NetJets IBB, then moving on to start the bs all over again with FlexJet. It's like "Groundhog Day" at IBT...guess the FLOPS pilots will get lost in the shuffle while IBT keeps that "carrot" dangling so the pilots will keep sending those pointless dues in. GET ON THE BALL, this is insane with seemingly no progress. In fact, the job is worse now than EVER before It's like kiddies fighting in the sandbox. Enough of the BS get those lawyers in there to stop this company from showing the world how lazy they are. They must be getting a great laugh at how they can violate any number of Labor laws, reduce pay and benefits on a DAILY basis, run an operation meant for 1000 pilots with 560, and IBT lawyers sit back and pocket dues to do NOTHING but working on bring more into the tangled web of worthlessness. Nice work (not) by the thugs AND this sh*tty company.

Hey dumbass...then vote the 1108 OUT and go back to your previous "utopia." You work at the crappiest fractional out there...don't you want improvements ?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Phoenix]

my information is not ment to hurt, i have a very good source, it was information i was givin so I passed it on.

but time will tell

Well you need to go and tell your source that he is grossly misinformed.

We have requested numerous times, 3 writing, and most recently directly to Scheeringa via our MEC chairman, that we double the number of days we meet for negotiations. Every one of these request have been meet with some weak excuse for why management can't or won't meet more. We have heard many tidbits of information that have been floated from sources in management over the past couple of months that are nothing less then intentional misinformation. These have been obvious attempts by members of management to discredit your negotiation committee and the work we are doing. We have expressed our displeasure at these distortions and in many cases out right lies that are being spread by management. We were assured that they would stop. If your source is management, I guess they have not.


I'm very close to the process and what a I'm telling you is the truth.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Thanks for setting the record straight Phoenix.

 

[FLYLOW22]

TWO meetings? To negotiate??? Shouldn't there have been at LEAST that many going on already? My gahd, this "contract" will appear approx 2108 won't it? What in the H*** have those lawyers been doing?
Oh yeah...focusing on the NetJets IBB, then moving on to start the bs all over again with FlexJet. It's like "Groundhog Day" at IBT...guess the FLOPS pilots will get lost in the shuffle while IBT keeps that "carrot" dangling so the pilots will keep sending those pointless dues in. GET ON THE BALL, this is insane with seemingly no progress. In fact, the job is worse now than EVER before It's like kiddies fighting in the sandbox. Enough of the BS get those lawyers in there to stop this company from showing the world how lazy they are. They must be getting a great laugh at how they can violate any number of Labor laws, reduce pay and benefits on a DAILY basis, run an operation meant for 1000 pilots with 560, and IBT lawyers sit back and pocket dues to do NOTHING but working on bring more into the tangled web of worthlessness. Nice work (not) by the thugs AND this sh*tty company.

Yeah. You were doing fine all by your lonesome prior to having a Union.

Patience, follow the course, ice in your veins.... or you can scream like a bitch if you think that will help.

It won't but it may feel good.

 

[dime line]

my information is not ment to hurt, i have a very good source, it was information i was givin so I passed it on.

but time will tell

Your very good source should be the FLOPS MEC. Other than that its all BS.

 

[fischman]

Your very good source should be the FLOPS MEC. Other than that its all BS.

...And there you have it.

Best advice you could give.

 

[NETFLIER]

just cuz it was a old drunk lady in the bar doesnt mean she wasnt a good source.

 

[dime line]

NETFLIER;1486526]just cuz it was a old drunk lady in the bar doesnt mean she wasnt a good source.

If she sits across the table at the "round table" (note:3.5 days a month), then I will listen. But other wise its all BS.

 

[jetwash]

just cuz it was a old drunk lady in the bar doesnt mean she wasnt a good source.

Is she the one at the Ice Box in PBI?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Furthermore....

TWO meetings? To negotiate??? Shouldn't there have been at LEAST that many going on already? My gahd, this "contract" will appear approx 2108 won't it? What in the H*** have those lawyers been doing?
Oh yeah...focusing on the NetJets IBB, then moving on to start the bs all over again with FlexJet. It's like "Groundhog Day" at IBT...guess the FLOPS pilots will get lost in the shuffle while IBT keeps that "carrot" dangling so the pilots will keep sending those pointless dues in. GET ON THE BALL, this is insane with seemingly no progress. In fact, the job is worse now than EVER before It's like kiddies fighting in the sandbox. Enough of the BS get those lawyers in there to stop this company from showing the world how lazy they are. They must be getting a great laugh at how they can violate any number of Labor laws, reduce pay and benefits on a DAILY basis, run an operation meant for 1000 pilots with 560, and IBT lawyers sit back and pocket dues to do NOTHING but working on bring more into the tangled web of worthlessness. Nice work (not) by the thugs AND this sh*tty company.

BTW... how come the lawyers haven't started working on something even a braindead law student could, and get people's OVERTIME PAID! That would be a START. What labor law concurs with forcing OT then NOT paying and saying "Oh we'll give you a day or 2 off, and if we don't get to it we'll pay you NEXT YEAR sometime." WTF??????? If the allegedly existing union lawyers can't even start with THAT...a "gimme" what the heck CAN they do????
Seems like only the IBT PAID posters on here (you know, the ones that accuse everyone who disagrees with them of being mgt stooges) are the ONLY ones with any seeming faith of anything happening for FLOPS pilots...EVERYONE is leaving, even the most staunch union supporters,...so what does THAT say about the future? Yeah, let them keep leaving then accuse everyone of not joining in to help. They KEEP joining in...they just FLEE when the see what is REALLY going on. GET IT?!!!!!
:bomb:

 

[theskyking]

I love when people quote themselves. Maybe an overblown sense of self importance?