Ops management call for 2 extra meetings

[theskyking]

So now that we agree, tell me WHY THE LAWYERS HAVE DONE NOTHING.
(scary not even YOU have faith in your "work" in the union)

Why don't you call the lawyers and ask them? Might be a little more productive than you liberal use of bold, italics, large fonts and capital letters.

 

[jetwash]

Voice is just a stooge. He crawls our from under his rock every time the Union movement makes a move forward. He was out full force around the time of the vote then slid back under his rock. Now with FO management starting to feel the heat he comes out again.

For someone with lots of "reason" he seems to have taken a break from typing between from 4/25/06 and just came back out this past month or two. His job is to try and destroy the unity that we have built so try not to take him too seriously.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Voice is just a stooge. He crawls our from under his rock every time the Union movement makes a move forward. He was out full force around the time of the vote then slid back under his rock. Now with FO management starting to feel the heat he comes out again.

For someone with lots of "reason" he seems to have taken a break from typing between from 4/25/06 and just came back out this past month or two. His job is to try and destroy the unity that we have built so try not to take him too seriously.

...or just maybe I have a LIFE that isn't so miserable it is spent on this board 24/7 on my "vacation." You love to shout mgt "stooge" regardless of my blatant disdain for both the union AND mgt. Nice try though...I always love it when you try to distract everyone with that same script rather than answer WHY the lawyers are being paid to do NOTHING all this time...and if not what HAVE they done?
Oh yeah, I forgot, it's the "lawyers" that got the work rules already supposed to have been followed "enforced" right? NOT!

 

[Voice Of Reason]

He crawls our from under his rock every time the Union movement makes a move forward.

Just wondering what exactly you mean by the union making "a move forward." Oh do tell....what progress exactly would this be.
(Nevermind you won't answer that, just shout all kinds of paranoid accusations about how everyone who wants answers is a mgt stooge).
Tell us WHAT IS THIS MOVE FORWARD, please because we have yet to see anything of any significance in the years that have passed.
ANSWER IT!!!!!!
(oh yeah everyone, sssshhhhh,...it's "secret"...so secret that even the dues paying members can't be trusted to know....just keep sending those dues in or we'll send in Hoffa).
Your "progress" is as legitimate as the company's promises. You deserve each other, especially when there will be 2 people left on each side pretty soon.

 

[jetwash]

...or just maybe I have a LIFE that isn't so miserable it is spent on this board 24/7 on my "vacation." !

9 posts on this thread alone just today :laugh:

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Just wondering what exactly you mean by the union making "a move forward." Oh do tell....what progress exactly would this be.
(Nevermind you won't answer that, just shout all kinds of paranoid accusations about how everyone who wants answers is a mgt stooge).
Tell us WHAT IS THIS MOVE FORWARD, please because we have yet to see anything of any significance in the years that have passed.
ANSWER IT!!!!!!
(oh yeah everyone, sssshhhhh,...it's "secret"...so secret that even the dues paying members can't be trusted to know....just keep sending those dues in or we'll send in Hoffa).
Your "progress" is as legitimate as the company's promises. You deserve each other, especially when there will be 2 people left on each side pretty soon.

Blah Blah Blah Blah BLAAHH BLAH BLAH blah blah blah.

STOP SCREAMING !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BombJet45]

Calm down or you will have a coronary.

You might want to drink a cold one, get laid, and then call your union rep with your specific questions. Sarcasm and yelling won't get you too far if you are truly trying to find some answers.

 

[Diesel]

I'm confused you're angry at the Union? The company? The pilots? or Management?

So one week you're mad nothing is happening and now you're mad its not happening fast enough?

Or maybe your goal is to spread fear and doubt? Maybe you have a different agenda than the pilots? Hmmm so odd.

 

[fischman]

Voice,

I don't know you, but I want to tell you this. If you are having serious concerns about the Union, you need to address those concerns to the MEC or the E-board. These addresses can be found on your union website www.ibt1108.com.


I would also ask you to reconsider what I stated on another thread. You REALLY need to take emotion out of the situation. Not only does it not help, it makes you look a little foolish. I suggest it is time to throttle back. It is only business.


I'm not trying to insult you. I'm trying to help.


Respectfully,

Fischman

 

[FRLWD]

ANSWER IT!!!!!!

You still haven't answered my question!

All of the questions you are asking have been answered numerous times through union communications. Go to the website and get informed. Call a member of the MEC, they would be happy to talk to you and answer your questions.

 

[dime line]

By the way Hobbes, Dime Line, and the many "personas" like you...I have to compliment you on your ability to clutter the board with accusational bs rather than actually answering WHY THE H**L HAVE THE LAWYERS BEEN LETTING FLOPS GET AWAY WITH THIS ALL THIS TIME???? They've vilated everything on the books, yet the PAID lawyers do NOTHING. ANSWER THAT rather than accusing me of being one of your opponent goons!

ANSWER IT DIRECTLY!
You Won;t...that's why every pilot is BAILING!

Kinda sorta agree with you.......BUT.......how much money do you think it will take to sue the company, How much time do you think it will take? And what do you reasonably expect to be the outcome? No more 10hr rest, crew meals.

You need to understand we (you and I) are still AT WILL employees (even states that exact thing in the employee manuel). we are still at the mercy of management. And no I'm not paid to be on this board. Just trying to do my part to fix this company

 

[WabiSabi]

Hey Voice of Ignorance, better hide, Hoffa has instructed 1108 in Gahanna, OH to send some union goons to take you for.......a ride.



moron

 

[Semore Butts]

Wow voice of treason

If you talk louder you must be right?

By the way, I think you misunderstand the concept of using "big words" to impress people?

What do the lawyers have to due with the present company policies?

It took us a long time to get a decent contract.

I'm sure youre gonna come back and spout more "big words" that I won't understand. Not because they are "articulate", but because they are misleading and don't make any sense.

You rants are eather that of a "management hack" or you are really clueless? Well, I guess that would make you both.....Yeah, thats the ticket.

You have to be a little more suttle in your delivery man!

Good luck F.O. pilots!

 

[HSDriver]

its official that the management of Flops have called for 2 meetings in Jan of 08'. This is a significant turn, stay strong fellow 1108-ers.

How is it official? I haven't heard it anywhere other than this. Am I missing something?

HS

 

[slowjet]

Hey "VOICE OF STUPIDITY"- what have you done to stop management from changing our quality of life? Do you work overtime, fly broke, fly hungry, fly sick, answer the phone with less than 10 hrs rest? No, then there is your answer- you no longer have too because of the IBT and the lawyers.
I bet when we get a contract and respectful pay increase you"ll take it. Will you then thank the lawyers in BIG BOLD WORDS?
Do us all a favor and shut the **** up!

 

[NETFLIER]

i trust in my peeps

my peeps trust in me

thats official enough

 

[GerryG]

OK, let's see, management is incompetent, union and it's lawyers are incompetent, so we must need an in-house union. Do I have it about right Voice?

Interesting how you always show up at pivotal moments in the unions evolution. During the organizing campaign and now as we approach the two year mark.

Tell ya what sport, I'll try to answer your question about the lawyers if:

1.You tell me what specific RLA violations you believe the lawyers should be contesting.

2.Assuming (and it's a charitable assumption) you are a fight options pilot, what have you done to help your union, have you volunteered for committee work, have you paid one cent of dues, have your worked OT, have you ignored the union's emphasis on safety and whored yourself out, by violating FAR's? What have you done to help?

Unless you've done your part along the way, you really have no right to criticize. Do ya?

 

[theskyking]

Since when did laziness, ignorance, and incompetence stop someone from voicing an anonymous opinion on FI. Anonymity makes cowards into heroes (in their own mind).

 

[buckeyes95]

Voice, first of all, you are obviously a management piece of sh*t. Secondly, FLOPS will get a contract when they start the HARD fight. No OT, go over the planes with a fine comb, don't do ANYTHING extra. From what I hear, there are still way too many guys working with the company at FLOPS. For those of you that are not working with the company, keep up the good fight. For those of you that are, you are hurting yourself and your fellow pilots. And Voice, kiss my a**!

 

[Ultra Grump]

...or just maybe I have a LIFE that isn't so miserable it is spent on this board 24/7 on my "vacation." You love to shout mgt "stooge" regardless of my blatant disdain for both the union AND mgt. Nice try though...I always love it when you try to distract everyone with that same script rather than answer WHY the lawyers are being paid to do NOTHING all this time...and if not what HAVE they done?
Oh yeah, I forgot, it's the "lawyers" that got the work rules already supposed to have been followed "enforced" right? NOT!

A couple questions for you.

1) Which lawyers are you talking about? Ford & Harrison? Or the union's lawyers? What exactly are these lawyers supposed to be doing that they're not? What do the lawyers have to do with it anyway?

2) If 1108 is so bad, and management sucks, what exactly is your solution?

BTW, I hope NJA does force Options out of business. That is the nature of business and competition. Unfortunately, my opinion is in the minority among my 1108 brethren, who don't want to see you guys out of a job. I don't necessarily, either, but I'd rather see your company fail than mine. FWIW.