I'll try and start from the beginning
NWA does not fly to x then y then Z. I think this is exactly what the new agreement is about. Fly to one destination then onto the next in Europe. What did you think it was about???
You just made my case for me, thanks.
You're absolutely right. NWA does NOT fly to x to y, then on to z INSIDE the U.K.
Under this new law, they would be allowed to. However, they wouldn't WANT to in most cases.
However, now YOUR country's carriers CAN do this inside U.S. soil.
That makes it a SEVERELY unequal agreement. Your government said, "Sure, we'll let you do that", knowing full well no U.S. carrier would want to.
No brainer for EU countries, lose-lose for US airline employees.
you are not worried about KLM but over Ryan air etc. etc. Funny that Transavia Airlines for the last summers has wet leased Sun Country airlines that operated overhere on their on certificate while every winter Transavia has dry leased A/C to Sun because they couldn't operate in the US without a 121 certificate.
What, exactly, was your argument here?
I can't tell, but I think you just made my point again. It's the small airlines that have the ability to run point to point inside the continental U.S. and those small airlines are the ones who have the crappy compensation and work rule packages in the EU.
Branson: It still remains to be seen whether they are going to make it, mean while it remains open to any US carrier to do the same over here. I know UPS is already interested in buying TNT and getting a base in Liege.
Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. But let's do that for a second.
You can bring up UPS and FedEx, but that is because the only alternative you have is DHL (which is a distant third in the rest of the world), TNT, and the huge French Post. And, Transavia would be sunk without the Sun Countryt dry lease, with less traffic in Europe during the Winter. Next time, bring a real argument with some facts.
The General makes an excellent point as a sidebar to his main point, and that is that TNT and the French Post will now be able to run their own freight from the EU to anywhere in the U.S.
Question is, will they? At least in THIS case, there's an EQUAL gain to be made on both sides. Not so much with the passenger side of the house.
On the subject of passports and JAA licenses, well we just have to disagree. You say you have to have a passport in the EU, I don't ,just the right to work, just like the states. However I have a lot of buddies in the states that don't get hired because they don't have passports.
Whoa there fella, back right on up. Name ONE MAJOR carrier in the U.K. that allows you to come to work without have a Passport issued by someone in the EU?
One...? KLM? Nope. British Airways? Nope. Keep hunting, you MIGHT find some small airline with 20-40 aircraft that has been able to obtain a SHORT-TERM WAIVER, usually not to exceed 6 months or a year, but no DESIRABLE, major carriers in the U.K. allow it.
As a U.S. citizen, I can't even get my foot in the DOOR over there, then go over, marry some EU chick, and get permanent citizenship.
YOUR citizens CAN do that over here, and have. All but 2 of my foreign friends at my previous carrier married U.S. citizens to get citizenship. All but 4 of those are now divorced.
Again, it's not an equal opportunity environment, and you, with your experience, should know better.
As for the 4 year collega degree, dude, get real, how many single/married white males get hired without a degree????????
Quite a few, actually. The degree makes a difference if you have two, equal candidates in a major airline interview, but often the candidates aren't equal. I can think of 10 guys from my prior carrier who have landed jobs at AAI, JBlu, SWA, and CAL without the 4-year. In fact, the 2 buddies I have that are black didn't get the jobs, strangely enough, and had the degree.
Finally and last, You talk about point to point in the UK, That's not really realistic, it would be like comparing Travel within Indiana or whatever state. If you want to make a serious comparions between EUrope and the EU consider it the united states of Europe, because that's what the open skies agreement is about.
No, that's NOT what Open Skies was about, and that's what people like you need to understand.
US Carriers ALREADY HAVE the ability to go to different countries point-to-point inside the EU.
US Carries HAVE NO INTEREST in doing point-to-point inside individual countries inside the EU.
EU carriers, however, have EVERYTHING TO GAIN, opening up a HUGE revenue source inside OUR country, and we, as Americans, GAIN NOTHING.
This isn't OPEN SKIES, it's more "Open SEASON on American Jobs, American profits, and American futures."
You guys get all the benefit, we get nothing but a downward push on compensation and quality of life.
Lastly, having experienced both sides I think I'am little bit more qualified to comment on both sides of the issues than some redneck A'hole that thinks the worls revolves around the US of the A
Redneck A*shole?
Nice. I think the General was right. Elitist attitude indeed. How's this? P*ss Right Off.
It doesn't have anything to do with me being a Redneck, although I am from TN, own a truck, a dog, a shotgun in the rack, and I'm a proud card-carrying member of the NRA and don't appreciate attacks on my country, financial or otherwise. If that makes me a redneck, mmmmm... OK.
It also doesn't have anything to do with the world revolving around the United States. This is about FAIRNESS and future loss of job security and compensation/QOL for U.S. Citizens.
U.S. Citizens benefit NOTHING from this Agreement. You had nothing to offer us in Open Skies. Except for kickbacks to the Bush financial coffer... How is that fair?
