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Regarding the website...

I wouldn't call these Union facts at all. More likely it is a website based on a political adgenda from a Ford and Harrison-type operator.

I could go out and find a website to back up a pro-Union stance. Oh, I dunno... how about www.ibt1108.com. Man, that was hard.

Your site makes broad assumtions that ALL Unions are created equally. They are not... that is a fact. Most are pretty satisfied with the level of leadership and representaion that we have here at NJA. NJA Management agrees.

I'm not sure how your website addresses that fact.
As far as pay and working condidtions being changed DURING negotiations... it's illegal. FLOPS management tried it though. Section 6 Negotiations are about the whole enchilada... not addressing pay only. Citation Shares and Flex management have been able to bribe their pilots to varying degrees with that technique each time NJA pilots raised the bar. It will happen again soon.

Regarding "unrealistic demands" by the Union at the table. You CLEARLY do not understand the process of Section 6.

Regarding your feable attempt at giving FLOPS pilots buyers remorse... No Company EVER gets a Unionized work force that doesn't need/deserve it. The "company" had plenty of chances to make right on taking care of it's employees up until the vote to Unionize was initiated. FLOPS is no innocent angel. Yes, they made their choice and yes, it takes time to get results. In the meantime, the "company" is doing absolutely lousy and profits (if any) will reflect that. So how important is "the fight"? Only the company will be able to tell.... usually the BOD determines how much they are willing the fritter away in a labor dispute.

You CLEARLY do not understand the process of Section 6. Section 6 dictates that each side come to the table with equally unrealistic demands in the hoes that they are widdled down to the core issues through "negotiations". I can assure you that the negotiators working on behalf of the FLOPS pilot group are no more off center with their bagaining position than the Company is. Over time, as each side is affected by each others bargaining efforts, an accord is eventually reached. Hopefully, it is an accord that both sides can live with. Maybe not... that's Section 6.

The bargaining unit that I referenced is made up of 3 differnt entities: The Negotiating Committee, the pilot group, and Strike Prep.

All three take turns influencing the company.

The company bargaining unit is made up of: Ford and Harrison (thug legal council), the company Negotiating Committee and Their version of Baghdad Bob (BS Artist with a pager).

The process is painful to both sides. Owners are caught in the middle. Hostages are taken. Time and profits are forever wasted/lost.

It's a choice that both sides have made.

There is another way but it involves a deeply rooted desire to come to an accord without Section 6; IBB.

FLOPS management isn't mature enough for this approach yet (if ever).

Until a deal is reached, the house is on fire. It MAY be saved at this point... sho knows. While both sides are fighting, however, one thing is certain; nobody is putting out the fire.

Here is what I understand. No union, no bullsh*t. Invite the union in, expect the bullsh*t and stop whining about it. You asked for it, you got it. www.unionfacts.com
 
"Bob"/B19 = POS

I can't believe you guys continue to engage in debate with this POS "Bob"/B19. He has has had more then ample opportunity to validate the absurd baseless assertions he continues to vomit on to this board but choses not to. He is a deceitful self serving lying POS with nothing but a union busting goal of distorting the facts about Unions in general and the union at Flops in specifically.

We do our fight a dis-justice to even acknowledge this mooron. Ignore him and he will go away.
 
And Where did you "hear" this tidbit of info?


I heard it from one of your pilots at PDK. He seemed to know what he was talking about. Is it inaccurate?
 
I heard it from one of your pilots at PDK. He seemed to know what he was talking about. Is it inaccurate?

I don't know if it is really inaccurate. But I find it very suspect that a "pilot" knows the dark secrets of the companys financials. Are we loosing money? I think we are (but I really don't know). Do companys plan for a certain amount of waste, sure do. But really as far as how FLOPS is "really" doing, there are 3 people that really know, HIG, Sheringa, Sanjay. I can't image anybody else that might know that kinda info....

I remember all of our "management" saying "Netjets can't pay those types of salarys and stay in business"
 
I can't believe you guys continue to engage in debate with this POS "Bob"/B19. He has has had more then ample opportunity to validate the absurd baseless assertions he continues to vomit on to this board but choses not to. He is a deceitful self serving lying POS with nothing but a union busting goal of distorting the facts about Unions in general and the union at Flops in specifically.

We do our fight a dis-justice to even acknowledge this mooron. Ignore him and he will go away.


Even though I've NEVER lied, what validation is required for me to make the statement:

"You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining."

www.unionfacts.com
 
Bob/B19, or whatever other identity you are assuming today... Youre a worthless turd, the validation people have REPEATEDLY asked for that you refuse to answer is: if life is so great where you claim (I emphasize the claim, since we all know what you really are) to work, What airline do you work for?? The pilots left at Flight Options would love to know where to find the Utopia you speak of...
 
Here is what I understand. No union, no bullsh*t. Invite the union in, expect the bullsh*t and stop whining about it. You asked for it, you got it. www.unionfacts.comhttp://www.unionfacts.com

No Union, no bullsh!t?!?!? That's the biggest load of Bullsh!t I've ever read!

Unfair labor practices, summary firings, no recourse if wronged, uneven application of compensation and benefits, brown nosers run amuck? This is non union nonbullsh!t you write of?

But it's your opinion from your experience. I will respect it but you must respect mine too.

Your experience has galvanized your opinion of Unions, so too mine the opposite.
 
B19 I hope whatever union buster you work for isn't paying you much, because you aren't proving to be worth it.
 

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