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Big Slick

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OPEC on Wednesday accused the U.S. of economic "mismanagement" that it said is pushing oil prices to record highs, rebuffing calls to boost output and laying blame at the feet of the Bush administration.
The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countires says it will not add more oil to global market.

Oil prices surged past $104 a barrel for the first time after the OPEC announcement and the release of a U.S. government report showing a surprise drop in crude oil stockpiles.

The 13-nation Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries said it would maintain current production levels because crude supplies are plentiful and demand is expected to weaken in the second quarter.

OPEC President Chakib Khelil told reporters the global market is being affected by what he called "the mismanagement of the U.S. economy," and that the U.S.'s problems were a key factor in the cartel's decision to hold off on any action.

"If the prices are high, definitely they are not due to a lack of crude. They are due to what's happening in the U.S.," Khelil said. "There is sufficient supply. There's plenty of oil there."

White House spokesman Dana Perino said Wednesday that President Bush was "disappointed" OPEC didn't do more to rein in prices, which some say are pushing the U.S. economy into recession.

Although OPEC opted not to intervene, it did pledge to maintain "constant vigilance" over the market.
Khelil said he and OPEC's secretary-general were authorized to call an extraordinary meeting or hold phone consultations "at any time, depending on the pressures on the market" -- an apparent gesture to ease global economic jitters.

There had been some speculation that OPEC might actually cut production, but Khelil said that was not discussed at Wednesday's meeting. He said OPEC had no plans to meet again before its next scheduled conference in September.

Khelil said crude stocks were well within their five-year average and the 13-nation group was not inclined to either boost or reduce its current output of about 32 million barrels a day. OPEC satisfies roughly 40 percent of the world's demand for crude.
OPEC said it "highlighted the economic slowdown in the U.S., which, together with the deepening credit crisis in financial markets, is increasing the downside risks for world economic growth and consequently demand for crude oil."

"Crude oil prices are being strongly influenced by the weakness in the U.S. dollar, rising inflation and significant flow of funds into the commodities market," it said.

The dollar sank to record lows Wednesday, with the euro fetching $1.53 for the first time ever in Europe.
Oil shot up a dramatic 19 percent last month as the falling dollar prompted speculators and other investors to shift cash to crude and other commodities as a hedge. Oil prices have also been supported by tensions in the Middle East and Turkey's incursion into northern Iraq.

Key cartel members said this week that prices in the $85 to $90 per barrel range would be optimal.
But oil's only direction Wednesday was up.
Light, sweet crude for April delivery rose $2.02 to $101.54 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange by the afternoon in Europe -- amid growing expectations that it stood to climb even higher.

But Stephen Schork, editor of The Schork Report, which keeps tabs on global energy markets and trends, said the cartel may not have had much choice.

"If you're OPEC, you see ample supplies and questionable demand," he said.
Schork gave OPEC credit for not pushing through a cut in output, which "would legitimize the bullish speculation we've seen since February" and risk sending oil to $120 a barrel or higher.

Crude inventories are growing, including "a massive increase" in U.S. stocks, Schork said.
The 13 OPEC members are Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Venezuela. Iraq is the only member not subject to the cartel's output quotas.
 
Don't worry, oil will crash...

"Crude oil prices are being strongly influenced by the weakness in the U.S. dollar, rising inflation and significant flow of funds into the commodities market."

...pretty much sums it up. Don't you agree?

But, don't worry, a 'crash' is right around the corner!!
 
2LT,

I like your signature :-)

Where has PCL been lately anyways?

Oh, I do think oil will crash but it will be after it's gone up to about $120-$130 and then it will crash down to $95-$100 where it will consolidate for the next big run up. This will take months to a year...

Jet
 
yet another blunder by our wonderful administration. There is no way to know if the new president can do anything about this...but our current administration really let things get out of hand. This started with Katrina and Rita...and has never recovered.
 
OPEC is blaming the rise of the price of oil on the decline in the dollar. The price hasn't risen much at all in other currencies.

The decline of our dollar which is one of the major causes of the oil price rise actually started well before President Bush with the establishment of a Private company, the Federal Reserve in 1913 and from the U.S. going off the gold standard.

Before the Federal Reserve and while we were on the gold standard, there was hardly any inflation at all. Now the dollar of 1913 is worth about 2 cents.

The Federal Reserve manipulates markets and doesn't allow the free markets to work. They've helped create the current super credit bubble and housing bubble by their jinking with the economy. Instead of a lot of small rises and falls in the economy over the last 30 years that were mostly prevented by the FED we're within a year or two of experiencing a slow down in the economy that could rival the Great Depression but it will be a hyper-inflationary depression.

That's my 2 cents :)

Jet
 
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yet another blunder by our wonderful administration. There is no way to know if the new president can do anything about this...but our current administration really let things get out of hand. This started with Katrina and Rita...and has never recovered.

Can you be more specific? The dollar has been falling for decades. What can an administration do to reverse that?
 
In May 2001 the Euro was worth About $0.80. It is now worth $1.53....Oh and Oil was about $22/barrell.

How do you figure this started with Katrina and Rita...
 
We're seeing the decline of the petro dependent American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil.....

She won't go down without a fight which is what worries me and the other countries of the world....

I don't think it matters if it is Bush, Hillary, Obama, or McCain. They're all subservient to their money masters.....

Oh, I wish we had Ron Paul as our president in the coming years!

Jet
 
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While I'm not a Ron Paul fan per se, I do agree that it simply doesn't matter who holds the office for in reality, none of them do. For all our posturing about crooked governments and elections elsewhere when are we going to acknowlege that one of the most corrupt governments on earth is right here? The dollar (or maybe the kickbacks/donations/bribes are going in euros these days) talks more than anything else.

If it didn't effect my job so much I would have found OPEC's response to the idiot dubbed 'dubya' hysterically funny.
 
Our government always tries to create boogymen and people to hate other than themselves.

This time it's funny because it's backfiring.

They want us to be mad at OPEC and mad at the Oil companies.

America is waking up and getting mad at the Private, NON-Governmental, Federal Reserve and mad at the overspending and fiscal irresponsibility of this damn crappy government we have which is causing our dollar to crash and blaming them!!!

Gotta love it. They're losing their control over the manipulation of our minds,
Jet
 
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For those interested in hearing Ron Paul giving Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke an earful on how the Fed is the cause of the inflation we're seeing and the devaluing of the dollar here is the clip from CNBC of their meeting:


Youtube: RON PAUL giving Bernanke an earful in the House meeting from last week


Ben Bernanke wrote his masters thesis on how to avoid a Deflationary Great Depression. This is why he was chosen by the way, because our economy is in that bad of shape right now and people don't for the most part realize it.

What did he say he'd do in his paper? He said he'd drop money from Helicopters(increase the money supply/devalue the currency) to avoid the deflation which is devastating.

This is why they call him Helicopter Ben.

The money supply which the Federal Reserve controls is increasing at 16%. This is devaluing our currency at 16% per year causing inflation. This also makes our debts less in real terms which in the long term is the governments solution to their debt problems. Inflate the debts away.....

By the way their inflation numbers are bogus and a lot higher than they say they are to distract you into thinking everything is ok. Visit www.shadowstats.com for more information on the real inflation rate.

Jet
 
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I'm mad at our government, but our culture (everyone) should also share the blame. Majority living or working towards the so called American dream of owning a new suburban huge house and an over-sized vehicle with lots of other stuff "junk" and a McDonalds junk meal on the dinner table. I've bought into this culture myself at times.

It's also the voters that ultimately elect the government, so if the majority here would wise up and elect quality candidates, then we'd be better off. Again, another cultural related problem where far too many citizens have limited knowledge of real political issues or even general common sense, but can rattle off a lengthy descriptive opinion on Britney Spears.
 
I blame the Fed because they manipulate markets.

They artificially set the interest rates where they want them which has been artificially low for years. These low rates cause bubbles. The Nasdaq was the first. Now we have the credit, spending, and housing bubbles converging at the same time.

Market manipulation by the Fed is wrong and the power to create credit and money should be returned back to the U.S. govt and not with the Private Federal Reserve.

The markets are supposed to grow and contract. The FED tries to always cause growth which just makes it to where all the contraction will happen at once in a larger way.

To learn the truth about the Federal Reserve watch this which has Ron Paul doing a cameo :) :
GOOGLE Video: FIAT EMPIRE- The Private Federal Reserve

Jet
 
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Can you be more specific? The dollar has been falling for decades. What can an administration do to reverse that?

I don't know. Maybe for starters avoid starting a war which is slowly bankrupting this country. Or perhaps come up with a budget that doesn't run a on a ridiculously huge deficit. Oh but wait the latest 160 billion dollar stimulus should turn things around..................


Worst President ever.
 
I don't know. Maybe for starters avoid starting a war which is slowly bankrupting this country. Or perhaps come up with a budget that doesn't run a on a ridiculously huge deficit. Oh but wait the latest 160 billion dollar stimulus should turn things around..................


I agree with the deficit spending part. However,we were spending billions annually containing Saddam with no-fly zones and sanctions. None of it was working and it was costing us more and more. Maybe we should have just pulled all troops out of the middle east and let Saddam do what ever he wanted. Also, 9/11 cost us billions and Katrina cost us billions. I'm an independent and Bush is certainly not my favorite pres, but he served during possibly the toughest time in our Nations history. He is no fun to watch or listen to but I still prefer him over Gore or Kerry.
 
Also, 9/11 cost us billions and Katrina cost us billions. I'm an independent and Bush is certainly not my favorite pres, but he served during possibly the toughest time in our Nations history. He is no fun to watch or listen to but I still prefer him over Gore or Kerry.

I won't argue that this has certainly been a rough time for anyone who happened to be president but I cannot agree on the preference of w over gore or kerry. While neither of those two are ideal, I do believe that a president is made of whom he surrounds himself with-and this has to be one of the worst cabinets in history, starting with the VP. The inbred and instinctive "mistrust" of the people who elected them (in theory) along with the constant catering to big business is to me intolerable.

All that aside, I have to vote my job and my family position-if I go that way than any of the last few republican offerings are simply not acceptable, as McCain is now.

Unlike many I don't have some huge moral issue over Iraq, but I do have enormous problems with the helathcare system, the manufactured housing bubble, the deficit spending, the ridiculous debt to China and the current lopsided division of power between business and labor...wow, I sound like Clinton...
 
I won't argue that this has certainly been a rough time for anyone who happened to be president but I cannot agree on the preference of w over gore or kerry. While neither of those two are ideal, I do believe that a president is made of whom he surrounds himself with-and this has to be one of the worst cabinets in history, starting with the VP. The inbred and instinctive "mistrust" of the people who elected them (in theory) along with the constant catering to big business is to me intolerable.

Good points Raskal. I feel like Bush/Cheney has been quite an advantage to big oil especially. Maybe too much. How can the oil companies justify their huge profits. Howeve, I prefer big business to big government, as long as monopolies are avoided. Companies provide much greater opportunities for jobs and potential for wealth than goverment ever will. Unless you're a politician. I will vote my job when able but not if I feel it will hurt the company or customer. Luckily I'm employed by a very fair and honest company.
As far as Healthcare. I have no ideas, but be careful what you wish for. I lived with socialized medicine for over 11 years. If you think the healthcare system is screwed up now wait till the govt steps in. Thousands of people around the world still come to the US for care. That has to mean something.
 
Donald, you're right about the health system...I have no idea what the answer is, but I know this isn't it-the country simply cannot afford to continue, all fo the aging baby boomers will bankrupt it.

However, as much as I distrust government I have come to mistrust industry even more. I do not believe for a second that the investors/board etc...care even a little bit about the employees or what happens to any of them. Those days, unfortunately, are long gone. Now it is a number, pure, simple, emotionless.
 
I don't know. Maybe for starters avoid starting a war which is slowly bankrupting this country. Or perhaps come up with a budget that doesn't run a on a ridiculously huge deficit. Oh but wait the latest 160 billion dollar stimulus should turn things around..................


Worst President ever.
The USA went bankrupt in 1933! It's really sad that people fail to understand how our economy works and what has happened in the past that has gotten us where we are today. The governement loves the ignorance of its citizens and it's only going to get worse!
 
That's hysterical, even the saudi's pissed at piece of crap bush, for scaring prices upward. Even the oil people, that's funny. Bush is as worthless as Prater.
 
You're right raskal. I wish somebody would figure something out. I've been hoping that with the threat of socialized medicine someone would come up with a good idea, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Next time I go see my doc, I intend to ask him how he feels about socialized medicine. I have a great health care plan with Southwest but I still had over 8 thousand dollars out-of-pocket last year with a family of 4. (just finished my taxes) And that was pretty low compared to others I know. As far as trusting industry, I agree that most companies, probably the majority, have very little care for their employees, but its easier to find a better job than find a better government.
 
I just cant whait for THE BUSH IT to be over!!!!

and his budy FKN DICK cuorrupt CHENEY.
 
I agree with the deficit spending part. However,we were spending billions annually containing Saddam with no-fly zones and sanctions. None of it was working and it was costing us more and more. Maybe we should have just pulled all troops out of the middle east and let Saddam do what ever he wanted. Also, 9/11 cost us billions and Katrina cost us billions. I'm an independent and Bush is certainly not my favorite pres, but he served during possibly the toughest time in our Nations history. He is no fun to watch or listen to but I still prefer him over Gore or Kerry.


Um, Donald, Saddam is dead.
 
I know the dollar has been loosing value for decades...but lately it hasn't been on a steady decline like it was before...it is on a downward spiral. When you owe trillions of dollars of course the dollar will tumble. I know there are many people out there who believe Bush was just the President during bad times...but I believe the bad times were made worse by this government's mismanagement. Bad times happen...bad actions or bad choices is what got is here.
 
Gee, What do you think Lowecur?

Glad you asked.

Let's go talk to the people that actually run this country......Multinational Conglomerates. What, you mean these huge corporations headquartered in the good ol US of A run this country? Yes, they do.

Multinationals are the architects of the "Global Economy." They have had our gov't spend Trillions in aid around the world where peace could be bought. Where it can't be bought, Trillions more is spent to fund the CIA and the Military to try and bring stability and a capitalistic slant to the area.

Why has the dollar been deteriorating over the years. Simple, the USA either can't compete with the cheap products of some regions or they can't compete with gov't subsidies that make foreign products a better deal. So we let the dollar fall to make our products more desirable overseas for our multinational companies. Now the multinationals are not stupid. They also build mfg plants in many of these countries to hedge....smart...but it has taken away the mfg backbone of the USA....dumb. Now, I believe the trade deficit averages around $500-600B per year(someone correct me if I'm wrong). Yet the multinationals and their stockholders are happy because they get the limited access to the China's, Japans, and other Pacific rim closed shops where many American mfgs are locked out.

To do all this, our whore politicians have mortgaged our childrens future. To pay for this grandious scheme the Feds sold bonds to foreigner's and have flooded the market over the years with greenbacks with no controls. The Fox is in the henhouse and he's lick'n his chops. This of course has lead to the Savings and Loan debacle, the dot com bubble, and of course today's housing and credit crunch. They have given the undisciplined American Consumer the green light to spend, spend, spend, thus making the US economy the engine that has created quasi Capitalistic juggernaut economies ruled by either dictators or police states. Today much of our debt is owned by people who only a few years ago wanted to bury us....smart? So today $1 out of every $3. in tax is to pay the interest on the debt to our friends overseas that include the Middle East and China.

Just think, it's possible in the next 10-20 years or sooner, that the USA will be relegated to an also ran with their tin cup extended for a possible reverse Marshall Plan to forgive all the debt we owe. Will it happen in this coming new world order? What do you think? I think they will have won the war without firing a shot, and all our multinational companies that where once headquartered in the USA will belong to our enemies and moved overseas.

Sounds like a plan to me.

:pimp:​
 
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However,we were spending billions annually containing Saddam with no-fly zones and sanctions. None of it was working and it was costing us more and more.

Billions annually compared to the billions weekly were spending now? For what? To have more terrorists in Iraq now than before the war began?This war has lasted longer than WW2 with no end in sight.
 
Bush removed caps on oil futures, and that is the reason that oil future prices have since moved so quickly.

The US President had never controlled the max price of a barrel of oil around the world.
 
Bush removed caps on oil futures, and that is the reason that oil future prices have since moved so quickly.

coffeedog, thanks. I'm not an economist so are you saying caps should reinstated. Would that bring oil prices down?

Puddlejumper, I agree, bad decisions are made by every administration. And the Iraq war may have been a bad one, time will tell. Would you have continued spending billions on the sanctions and nofly zones against Saddam? At times, I'm really on the fence about the war. I even believe W had a personal agenda against Saddam. But I was also ready to do something to end it. At one time, I truly thought we should just pull all troops out of the Middle East (before the war Bravowhiskey) and see how the Muslim nations felt about that
 

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