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[MTpilot]

So where can I find one of these nasa form thingys?

 

[gkrangers]

What happened?

And I think in here somewhere.

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/main_nf.htm

 

[NCFlyer]

Try here:

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/forms/PDF_Files/general.pdf

 

[viper548]

What happened? You can print one off the internet.

 

[FN FAL]

So where can I find one of these nasa form thingys?

BOHICA!

 

[MTpilot]

Student got confused

I sent a student on a cross country upon arrival at his destination he was cleared left traffic for 20, and he landed 02, I havent got the full story but tower was not happy, there was not an accident or anything but some people had to get out of his way. Tower did say they would not be writing him up or anything. (maybe just his CFI) who knows.

On a related note do you have your students tell tower they are students pilots or not?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I did. I insisted that every student while solo inform the appropriate ATC facility that they were a student pilot. But, who knows what they do once they are up there.

 

[aeronautic1]

D'Oh

He almost got it right. heading 020 has a two/zero in it. Let's just hope he doesn't rorate at 36 knots.

 

[EatSleepFly]

I sent a student on a cross country upon arrival at his destination he was cleared left traffic for 20, and he landed 02, I havent got the full story but tower was not happy, there was not an accident or anything but some people had to get out of his way. Tower did say they would not be writing him up or anything. (maybe just his CFI) who knows.

On a related note do you have your students tell tower they are students pilots or not?

Are you looking for the form for your student or yourself?

It won't do you any good, I don't think, since you weren't in the airplane. No point in having him fill one out either, because it'd be on you anyways!

Ah, the joys of instructing...

 

[Brett Hull]

If the tower threatens to write you up, ask if the controller will be getting his pee-pee smacked too for not keeping abreast of all of the traffic in his pattern.

 

[MTpilot]

Yeah Well.....

I figured one for me and one for him, I don't think there is any real danger of any type of enforcement action. I thought this was exactly what nasa forms were for. I can't fill it out yet anyway, cause the little guy hasn't called me back yet. I don't know if he actually landed the wrong runway or if he just screwed up the traffic pattern.

 

[NookyBooky]

I figured one for me and one for him, I don't think there is any real danger of any type of enforcement action. I thought this was exactly what nasa forms were for. I can't fill it out yet anyway, cause the little guy hasn't called me back yet. I don't know if he actually landed the wrong runway or if he just screwed up the traffic pattern.

Is your student Unanswered?

 

[FN FAL]

Is your student Unanswered?

that would be...
DOUBLE
BOHICA!

 

[Flying Illini]

that would be...
DOUBLE
BOHICA!

What's BOHICA?

 

[dseagrav]

Kinda makes me glad my first cross-country today scrubbed for weather. It was a major-screw-up kinda day. I could feel it coming when I woke up, I was like, "Yep, I am gonna really screw something up today." I guess my pending screw-up transferred to your student instead. I should probably apologise but I am too busy laughing at FN FAL's accusation.

(EDIT: BOHICA = "Bend Over, Here It Comes (Again)")

 

[Sam Snead]

Sorry about the situation, MTpilot. Solo xc's are risky animals.

I used to always send students on xc's to uncontrolled airports. Not because it was easier or safer, but no tower controllers to write my poor student up and get me in trouble.

I just hoped they wouldn't land downwind, or land with opposing traffic. I made them draw the traffic patterns on their navlog.

 

[User546]

I always tell my primary students to tell the Tower, Ground, and Approach that they're a student pilot. We train at an uncontrolled field, so they can get real apprehensive when they have to go into controlled fields and talk to other people. I tell them that typically the controllers will be extra nice to them, and will be happy to help them out if they get confused or need help. Although thats not always 100% true all the time, it does make the student much more likely to use the "student pilot" phrase on callups.

My experience has always been that when a student tells them they're a student pilot, they always get much better treatment, and they'll typically give them very simple instructions and not make it too complicated for them. Kind of like the controller builds in a certain amount of safety margin between my students and other traffic, and also keeps a little closer eye on my student as their navigating the airspace and pattern.

Just my .02

 

[Harmattan96]

Just so you all know for the future....
Posting a message on a public forum, stating an event, such as a regulation bust, is never a particularly great idea. Members will help for sure; but so will the feds, by potentially using the statement as an admission of guilt.
Just make sure you don't say who you work for, where you fly, and when.

 

[MTpilot]

Don't worry, I'm only pretending to be me!

 

[Visceral]

Assuming you gave and documented all the required ground and flight instruction, endorsed the students logbook properly, and this is the first time this has happened, I'd say you have nothing to worry about. You haven't busted any regs. If your student(s) continue to have mishaps, then I'd worry.

 

[UnAnswerd]

Is your student Unanswered?

MTpilot, I must confess!!! This isn't the entire story. Upon calling the tower for take-off clearance, I was told to "hold short". I thought he said something else so I taxied on the runway and applied full power. The next thing I know is the controller is screaming at me and a baron makes contact with the top of my fuselage and then proceeds to go around. Sorry about that.

 

[Av8rPHX]

Wtf are the feds going to do? Browse this board and say "MTpilot had a student bust a reg, we are going to issue a letter to him". Kind of reminds me of that ATC transmission where someone says on center freq. "Im f**king bored". ATC replies, "identify yourself". Pilot replied, "i said i was f**cking bored, not f**king stupid. Anyhow, I highly doubt they would go through the hassles involved to find out the persons true identity.

 

[NookyBooky]

MTpilot, I must confess!!! This isn't the entire story. Upon calling the tower for take-off clearance, I was told to "hold short". I though he said something else so I taxied on the runway and applied full power. The next thing I know is the controller is screaming at me and a baron makes contact with the top of my fuselage and then proceeds to go around. Sorry about that.

Well I hope you didn't abort take off and try your luck with the Friendly Aviators Association. At least you have a good sense of humor unlike most of your higher-time counterparts on this bored.

 

[JediNein]

At least you weren't sitting in the tower watching your student screw up.

File the NASA form, it'll prevent any certificate suspension and possibly any revocations. It won't prevent a 709 ride for the CFI, the typical FAA response to a student pilot snafu.

Besides, your student already said he was sorry, and he did just dump his girl, too...

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[TonyC]

Besides, ... he did just dump his girl, too...

I tell ya, he ain't dumpin' her.




.

 

[NookyBooky]

I tell ya, he ain't dumpin' her.




.

Technichally, since she was the one with someone else's dinger in her, she's probably playing the part of the protaganist in this dumping saga-even if flightinfo's very own white knight is the one who says the magic words