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F16fixer

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Has anyone ever used this program for IFR proficiency ? I currently just started messing with my Microsoft Flightsim 2004, and I'm not that impressed. I figured it would have NDB approaches and other little practice items that many of us do not use on a daily basis. I am probably not using the program to the best of its ability, so any insight would help out in that area too.

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"a guy that sucks at NDB holds and approaches"
 

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F16fixer said:
Has anyone ever used this program for IFR proficiency ? I currently just started messing with my Microsoft Flightsim 2004, and I'm not that impressed. I figured it would have NDB approaches and other little practice items that many of us do not use on a daily basis. I am probably not using the program to the best of its ability, so any insight would help out in that area too.

Thanks,

"a guy that sucks at NDB holds and approaches"
I use OnTop 7.0, and it works very well. It has every approach to every Apt in it's database, and you can configure your panel, Wx, failures, etc. I use it before every checkride to practice a few holds, NDB approaches, etc.
 

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You must be doing something wrong with MSFS, it has the complete Jeppesen nav database in it, what airport of NDB are you not receiving?
I've used MS Flightsim extensively for practicing instrument procedures in the past, works great, works just as well as OnTop, if not better.
 

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When I open up the program it shows me the instrument training part. The only approaches I could find were the VOR and the ILS. They were both in the inst. training section. Where else should I be looking?

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RideTheWind said:
You must be doing something wrong with MSFS, it has the complete Jeppesen nav database in it, what airport of NDB are you not receiving?
I've used MS Flightsim extensively for practicing instrument procedures in the past, works great, works just as well as OnTop, if not better.
 
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Flying IFR is easy, learn the numbers, my plane on an ILS in 15 inches at the OM giving me 500ft/min decent when I drop the gear. You should be able to fly a hands off approach on the glideslope only making minor corrections with your feet.
 

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F16fixer said:
When I open up the program it shows me the instrument training part. The only approaches I could find were the VOR and the ILS. They were both in the inst. training section. Where else should I be looking?

Thanks
Alt key for menu
Look under world & map

The map view will show NDB's

There are also many 3rd party aircraft available, with much more realistic looking panels, than what comes stock. Quite a number of aircraft owner/pilots actually prefer this (MSFS) program over many other's such as on top for proficiency. But then we're use to this program & know what we're looking for.
 

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Thanks

I'll try that.

Thanks,
Luke


(Usually it takes about four responses to find what your looking for on this board.)

I appreciate the straight foward answer
 

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TDTURBO said:
Flying IFR is easy, learn the numbers, my plane on an ILS in 15 inches at the OM giving me 500ft/min decent when I drop the gear. You should be able to fly a hands off approach on the glideslope only making minor corrections with your feet.
What the heck did this have to do with anything? He was asking about flight sim not about how to do an approach.
 

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F16fixer said:
I'll try that.

Thanks,
Luke


(Usually it takes about four responses to find what your looking for on this board.)
Dude, MS Flightsim is so easy to use, hit the alt key and the find the go to menu at the top of the screen, go to your local airport, find the NDB approach you want to use and set the freq. and fly the approach until you are an NDB guru.

Now my question is how did you pass a CFII ride and now you want help learning an NDB approach.
 

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If his checkride was liek mine he didn't have to shoot and NDB on the CFII ride.


In his defense, he jsut said he "sucked" (that is a quote from him) at them....that doesnt mean he didn't know how to do them. And he wasn't looking for help with ndb approaches, just how to load them up in Flight sim
 

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TDTURBO said:
Flying IFR is easy, learn the numbers, my plane on an ILS in 15 inches at the OM giving me 500ft/min decent when I drop the gear. You should be able to fly a hands off approach on the glideslope only making minor corrections with your feet.

Flying powersettings is poor technique btw, you should be targeting an airspeed. Who the heck cares what the power is set to?
 

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I passed the CFII/MEI ride by completing the req'd tasks. ONE non-precision app is req'd with gyro failures. Do you want me to teach you what a non-precision app could consist of? And what your choices could be? You must not be a CFII, or you would be perfect at these regs and requirements that the FAA has set forth. You did learn them at one time right? { Oh I see, you could probably find the answer and tell me even though its been a long time since you have messed with it! Huh. That wouldn't be the same point as my original question would it? I do know how to fly NDB's, but yes I could use some more practice with them.

(There was not an ADF in the plane that I took my checkride in, nor was there an NDB on either of the two airports that my checkride consisted of:)

Man some people are stupid.





RideTheWind said:
Dude, MS Flightsim is so easy to use, hit the alt key and the find the go to menu at the top of the screen, go to your local airport, find the NDB approach you want to use and set the freq. and fly the approach until you are an NDB guru.

Now my question is how did you pass a CFII ride and now you want help learning an NDB approach.
 

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And you're one of the real idiots. I feel sorry for your instrument students, you're a II and want MS Flightsim to teach you to fly an NDB approach.
 
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F16fixer

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There you go again with that teaching crap!
For the last time, I just want to mess around with it and yes maybe gain some insight without paying $59 dollars an hr. For your info, I received msfs for christmas, so I thought I would try it
RideTheWind said:
And you're one of the real idiots. I feel sorry for your instrument students, you're a II and want MS Flightsim to teach you to fly an NDB approach.
P.S.
Your right dude. You win. I don't know how to fly an NDB. End of story. Yet another day goes by and I have to take a big bite of humble pie. What's new!

I'll go try the Alt key thing and play until my hearts content. I didn't mean for this thread to turn into one of THOSE threads.
Peace
 
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F16fixer said:
P.S. Your right dude. You win. I don't know how to fly an NDB. End of story. Yet another day goes by and I have to take a big bite of humble pie. What's new!
Humble pie, thats awesome :D
 

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Flying powersettings is poor technique btw, you should be targeting an airspeed. Who the heck cares what the power is set to?


I would say his using the rudder for corrections is a bad technique to. Yea it works, but it is sloppy and can make you pax sea-sick with all that side to side motion.

You won't notice it too much in a 172, but if you fly a bigger aircraft the more movement you will get as you move farther from the CG.

Just use small coordinated control movements, it isnt that difficult.

Using a powesetting to get you somehwere near the descent rate and then fine tuning it to get what you want is pretty standard i thought
 

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DONT BOTHER WITH THE INSTRUMENT TRAINING PORTION. jUST DEPART FROM THE DESIRED AIRPORT AND USE YOUR CHARTS ,EVERYTHING IS IN THE DATABASE. ONCE YOU START USING THE GPS SELECT FLIGHT PLANNER AND CREATE FLIGHT FROM ONE AIRPORT TO ANOTHER IFR. YOU WILL PICK UP CLEARANCE AND WILL BE ABLE TO SELCT APPROACH FROM ATC. WHEN YOU ACTIVATE FLIGHT PLANNER FLIGHT PLAN WILL AUTO LOAD INTO GPS. ITS VERY REALISTIC EXCEPT WHEN CHOOSING RADAR VECTOR TO FAC. SOMETIMES THEY VECTOR YOU AROUND ALOT.IT TOOK ME AWHILE TO FIGURE IT OUT BUT JUST FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH GPS FIRST .
 

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F16 Fixer dont listen to Ride the wind. The only wind he has is the hot air coming out of his mouth.If you have any other problems getting approaches to work P.M. me .
 
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