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Spinplate

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Ok! once again I need some advice......not really advice, I need input from people that actually work at these companies and are not bipolar or depressed. I have a start date with Pinnacle in August. I have an interview with Mesa next week here in PHX (whicH I like because of PHX base) and then to top it off, XJet calls me today after months of waiting and schedules an interview in August for me. Lets say I do get offers on all three, I do want to minimize commuting, but will do if I have to. I know with Mesa they are hurting for CRJ F/O's right now and if I got based somewhere on east coast for a while that wouldnt bother me since I know I could eventually come back to PHX. Pinnacle is starting to look gloomy ahead, Mesa turns great profits and has great aircraft and contracts (with the majors) but they step on their pilots alot too. And the pilots from XJet cant say enough good things about their company and are completely happy there. Opinion only, which one would have the quicker upgrade? I know Mesa isnt unbearable since I know a few ppl there and I do know an FO for XJet and he loves it!! I know it could change at any given second with regards to this but IM still curious! Thanks!
 

Superpilot92

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I am at XJET and love it also. They treat us pretty good and scheduling isnt a bunch of nazis. I commuted for a couple months and made my commute home everytime. Crews are great also. Might be a little longer upgrade but i wouldnt change jobs for a quicker upgrade. I would rather sit as an fo a little longer at a good company than upgrade quicker and sit at a bad company for a few years. Take it for what its worth. Good luck
 

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Another XJetter here:

For the quality of the company I would choose XJET hands down (severly biased though). That being said though I wouldn't let that alone be the deciding factor. The growth at XJET is about to come to a screeching halt. Things are going gangbusters for now but that's probably only going to last about another 12 months. We are scheduled to take our final ERJ delivery next year and once it's here, as far as any of us know, that's gonna be it for us. So in theory once we reach staffing levels for all aircraft on property then things may just stagnate at that point and where you sat on the seniority list at that point may be where you'd be staying for a long time. So for upgrades XJET is not going to be your best bet. Also if you'd like to live where you are currently at in PHX then MESA would be the obvious choice but like you said contract enforcement over there is a daily battle. Don't know much about PNCL so can't help you there.

Just remember that it's not all about the money and the job. If you're not happy at home you'll never be happy at work.

Another thing to consider is what if you lost your job for some reason. Where would you want to be in that situation? Close to "home" or way off over in a part of the country that you really didn't care for in the first place.

Just some food for thought.

One things for sure, we definitely need more cowbell !!
 
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Is the XJet interview before your Pinnacle class is supposed to start? If you can get the job at XJet, I would take it.
 

Spinplate

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PCL_128 said:
Is the XJet interview before your Pinnacle class is supposed to start? If you can get the job at XJet, I would take it.

yeah, Pinnacle is Aug. 22 and ExpressJet is 2nd week in Aug for interview. Pinnacle ppl were great though!!! At least I have a backup!
 

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I have really enjoyed my time at Express Jet. Quality of life is everything. In our industry, today's fastest upgrade is tomorrow's stagnation or furlough. Or vice versa. No way of knowing. Besides, you're not going to get your 1K turbine PIC and be competitve for anything, so might as well go with the best operation.Express Jet is going to be around for a while. Good training, livable contract, excellent MX, and better work rules than any other 50 seat provider. Some folks will try to worry you about the CPA, but you had better believe that CAL and XJT already have it done. (CAL has to nail down their long-term costs.) With our economy of scale, nobody can do our flying for less than we can.

Only drawbacks to XJT? You might have to fly with me someday :eek: and our bases suck. (I live in Houston and I can say that.)
 

SkyBoy1981

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I don't think Mesa and ExpressJet are even comparable. Nothing against the Mesa pilot group, but the company just plain sucks. I'm sure the majority of them will agree with that.
 

PCL_128

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Spinplate said:
yeah, Pinnacle is Aug. 22 and ExpressJet is 2nd week in Aug for interview. Pinnacle ppl were great though!!! At least I have a backup!

My advice is to go to ExpressJet if you get the offer. If I'm not mistaken, I think they will tell you either the same day or the next day after the interview whether you got the job. If you don't get the offer from XJet, then come on over to Pinnacle. At least you'll get paid and put in a hotel during training now. It's a long upgrade now, but that's true at ExpressJet also. In any case, as bad as Pinnacle sometimes is, it's still not as bad as working for Johnny O. over at Mesa. I would just scratch that one off the list. I know it's home in PHX possibly, but it just isn't worth it.
 

miles otoole

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XJet

I'm from PHL, was too "experienced" to get the RJ in PHL (5 mile commute) at Mesa and had to suffer Dash training in which 35% of the class attrited. Ended up in PHX where I sucked up airport ready reserve for 12 months. Oh, and the commute? Sucked eggs.

BTW, the cowbell is back from 12 months in hibernation. It started here and will end here.
 

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As an Express pilot for better than five years now, I like it here. It is also good to hear what people think of Express. I do not know much about the other airlines you looking at so I cannot comment on them and will certainly not bash any pilot from any airline. I think that is unprofessional.

Go with what works best for you. If you come here, I think you will like it. We have a great pilot and most recently demonstrated that in a huge way.
 

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MESA NEEDS FO'S!

And I mean like yesterday. No guarantees, of course, but scuttlebutt is a bunch of 1-2 year fo's have bailed out for Skywest and such.

I suggest you follow their lead if you can't get on anywhere else (work here then bail).
 

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well as of yesterday, Pinnacle pays for your living expenses during training now... They are a good airline..... If Pinnacle offered you the job, I say take it...
 

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If you're worried about commuting Xjet also is getting a commuter policy that looks pretty lenient. I am not a commuter so you'll have to ask one of them. The pilot group statement is right on the money though. I have had personal experience with pilot generosity at this company as far as someone covering my trip, and what happened with our ramper in IAH the other day is unheard of. I am SOOO glad our guys take pride in what they do and who they are and look out for one another and the customers. Flame away!!!
 

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I'm at XJT and absolutely love it. I've heard too many horror stories out of other operations. Not to say XJT is perfect, but I'm really enjoying it here. Good luck.
 

BigHangar

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Take it from a guy who has seen the operation of other regionals, XJET is a wise choice.
 

Earl Williams

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I can't attest to the other carriers mentioned, yet can give you my personal opinion of Mesa (as, unfortunately, I work for them). I commend you for doing research and soliciting advice...I only wish I would have been more thorough in doing so before I chose to work for the first company that offered me a job.

On the outset, Mesa may appear to be similiar to other regionals, but until you live our contract (or lack therof) you have little idea of just how much better life can be elsewhere. I know quite a few ex-Mesa pilots that were able to sweat it out here and get on with the big boys, yet considering the size of Mesa's pilot group, that's not unexpected. However, the turnover rate here proves that job satisfaction in an oxymoron.

I had little idea of just how poor our contract is...versus other carriers such as Comair, ExpressJet, just to name a few. However, here a just a few major differences that will give you a glimpse of what to expect. First, we get paid for segment times. For instance, if it historically takes, on average, 1:30 minutes to go from PHL to CLE, you get paid for 1:30...nothing more, nothing less Sometimes, you actually make it to CLE in less time than that, and so you actually get paid for MORE than you flew. However, oftentimes you WON'T fly under, or even come close, to the segment time, and that's where you get di**ed. Whether it's the endless wait for takeoff or getting a gate (PHL is a perfect example), or waiting out a ground stop (PHL again!) or that common hold due to traffic flows or weather, you get the same pay no matter what. Sound criminal? It is!

Another example are cancellations. We at Mesa don't get paid for cancellations due to weather, and oftentimes won't get paid for cancellations due to MX (the company has to meet a controllable completion factor in order for us to get paid for anything mechanically f**ed up). Try a year in PHL (or our new base ORD) and see how many cancellations you get...and subsequently subtract all that potential pay from your check. It's mind-numbing!

And, finally, just when you think it couldn't get any worse with regards to pay...you find that, once again, there is a discrepency in your paycheck! "How", you ask "can they shortchange me AFTER I wasn't paid for cancellations, and all those hours I spent without pay waiting for deicing, rampers to load my bags, gates to open up, etc". Well, they can, and they will!

Those aformentioned examples are primary indications of why you may want to re-think Mesa as a career move. Now, having said that, I can honestly say that I work with a fantastic, professional group of pilots. Here in PHL, we have a jet-for-jobs agreement with US Airways mainline furloughed pilots...most having upwards of 15 years experience at US Air alone! I can't think of how fortunate I have been to be mentored by such an experienced, first-class group. Unfortunately, with the pending merger, those J4J guys and gals may be gone...a travesty at that. Overall, the crews here get along great. It's almost as if with all the s**t we get from crew tracking, scheduling, and our crappy contract, we can all relate and make a positive experience out of what we CAN control. Maybe it's the old adage of "misery loves company".

The only other positive that I've found is the lack of time, personally speaking, of sitting on reserve. I spent a month before getting a hard line, and average around 80 hours a month (should be more than that in pay, but reference the above cancellation gripe). However, that's just my case...others have been sitting reserve for what seems like ever. And let me tell you, there is NO worse life that sitting reserve at Mesa!

So, overall, you make Mesa what you want of it. If you can stay away from the negativity of the crew room, look past the abuse you get from our pathetic contract, and appreciate the joy of flying airplanes, then it may in fact be something to consider. Personally, I tried that for as long as the kool-aid was being served, then I came to the realization that this place sucks. As far as the potential of getting PHX anytime soon, I would have to say that it would be a stretch. Our Denver base closed, and added even more pilots to an already senior PHX base. I'm closing in on my year, and don't even see PHX as an option for many, many months. And having said that, you could count on ORD or IAD as a newhire base (PHL as well, yet that will be short-lived). Mesa makes every effort to ensure trips start early and end late (thus eliminating commuting prior to show, or after release). And with minimized days off, I highly doubt you would see your home in PHX often.

So, that's my take. I wish you the best in your decision-making...it's not easy. As for me, like the rest of my classmates, I'm looking for another regional to go to. Live and learn I guess.
 

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YOu should come over to XJET. From what i have just read you would be in heaven here. Everyone i know that went to mesa ended up leaving as soon as they hit the one year mark.
 

Spinplate

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Damn Earl!!! Thank you for the insight!! I met with a friend of mine for 3 hours the other day (hes a CRJ Capt. for Mesa) and he said nothing but great things about the pilots from J4J!! Thanks for taking the time to distinguish some important differences between Mesa and others! I have alot to think about over the next couple of weeks.
 
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