One of the TLH guys is back.

[VaB]

Wow! They actually got one right.

Welcome back, Dave. Now get to work ya lazy ba$tard.

 

[Falconjet]

Explanation

For those wondering, what VaB is referring to is the fact that the Flight Engineer from the FedEx 727 that landed short at TLH in 2002 finally got his job back. The crew was fired by FedEx after the incident and ALPA and their lawyers just won a long fought grievance to get his job back. No word on the Capt or FO as of yet.

Welcome back!

FJ

 

[Freddie Spencer]

The Safety Board's full report is available at http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/publictn.htm. The Aircraft Accident Report number is NTSB/AAR-04/02.

On July 26, 2002, at 0537 eastern daylight time, a FedEx Boeing 727, N497FE, crashed during landing at Tallahassee, Florida. The airplane was operating as Flight 1478 from Memphis, Tennessee, to Tallahassee. The airplane crashed short of the runway, and was subsequently destroyed by fire. All three crewmembers were seriously injured. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The captain's and first officer's failure to establish and maintain a proper glidepath during the night visual approach to landing. Contributing to the accident was a combination of the captain's and first officer's fatigue, the captain's and first officer's failure to adhere to company flight procedures, the captain's and flight engineer's failure to monitor the approach, and the first officer's color vision deficiency.

 

[AlbieF15]

Geez...whenever I fly the SO monitors my approaches VERY closely.

"You're a dot low...bug minus 5, right of centerline...got you now 2 dots high...left of centerline...oh God are we okay?..Wow...."

then they all seem to go "sick" in the field...and get off the trip...

In all seriousness...this old fighter dude has gained a huge appreciation for the 3 man crew concept, especially when flying at night, into a field with bad weather , poor lighting, etc. Thrilled that this SO is back on the line, and I'll bet he'll be one heck of a captain when he gets his turn.

 

[VaB]

For those wondering, what VaB is referring to is the fact that the Flight Engineer from the FedEx 727 that landed short at TLH in 2002 finally got his job back. The crew was fired by FedEx after the incident and ALPA and their lawyers just won a long fought grievance to get his job back. No word on the Capt or FO as of yet.

Welcome back!

FJ

Thanks for the breakdown FJ. I just figured that A) FedEx guys would know what I was talking about and B) Noone else would give a shiite, so I didn't explain to much.

 

[BusterHymen]

Here's a link, summarizing what happened:http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2004/FedEx1478/iic_presentation.pdf

 

[fletch717]

Three people in the cockpit, end of a long night. somebody decides to save 3-5 minutes and fly a visual approach to rwy9 instead of the ILS to 27. Nobody says " I think this is a bad Idea" they hit the trees short. Thankfully only boxes on board otherwise who knows. I'm not all fired up that these pilots are going to be flying again. I know they are your fellow employees, but that accident was 100% preventable.

 

[Freddie Spencer]

Take Cover!!!

 

[twgordy]

WOW! Unbelievable! Can he say that on this board?

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

what happened to the two front seaters? wasnt one of them close to retiring? do they want their jobs back?

 

[TonyC]

I'm not all fired up that these pilots are going to be flying again. I know they are your fellow employees, but that accident was 100% preventable.

Most accidents are.



I hope you never have one.









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[Yank McCobb]

Three people in the cockpit, end of a long night. somebody decides to save 3-5 minutes and fly a visual approach to rwy9 instead of the ILS to 27. Nobody says " I think this is a bad Idea" they hit the trees short. Thankfully only boxes on board otherwise who knows. I'm not all fired up that these pilots are going to be flying again. I know they are your fellow employees, but that accident was 100% preventable.

Virtually EVERY accident, except those with some catastrophic failure, is 100% preventable. And this post is one of the most asinine things ever posted on this board. One that is known for daily doses of asinine posts.

I guess you are super pilot, with perfect judgement and infalible at every turn.

No wait. That can't be true. Just look how stupid you look now.

 

[reachpilot]

The only way to ensure you will 100% avoid an accident or incident is to stay on the ground. Remember what Ernest K. Gann says, "Fate is the Hunter".

Fly safe.

 

[h25b]

Legal Disclaimer: This is not to flame or offend... But...


On what grounds should the other two guys get their jobs back???

Two of the probable causes were:

(1) the failure to establish and maintain a proper glidepath (well established as a way to kill people...)
(2) failure to comply with company flight procedures (ditto...)

Before anyone jumps all over me, this is just an innocent question and NO I AM NOT INFALLABLE. Just asking why these two things are excusable. Wandering if there were other issues (besides fatigue) involved... I just remember it being drilled into me several times that when you're fatigued is exactly the time when one should be extra vigilant to follow S.O.P.

 

[B747FR8DAWG]

Human Performance presentation

http://www.ntsb.gov/events/2004/FedEx1478/human_performance.pdf

 

[FN FAL]

The only way to ensure you will 100% avoid an accident or incident is to stay on the ground. Remember what Ernest K. Gann says, "Fate is the Hunter".

Fly safe.

And Bugs Bunny says, "What's up Doc?".

Have you ever flown a regular trip where duty time limits put your whole life into rhythm that was not natural. I can tell you this much, getting up early in the morning is easy...I can be sprite for about three hours. I can spend all day at a hotel with a good nap and get up tired as all get up for the return trip.

There may be more to human factors to this accident, than you'll ever know...and I'm quite sure that lack of pilot skills was not one of them.

 

[FN FAL]

The only way to ensure you will 100% avoid an accident or incident is to stay on the ground. Remember what Ernest K. Gann says, "Fate is the Hunter".

Fly safe.

And in case I took you the wrong way Reachpilot, I still stand by my assessment...the biological clock rules. No matter what you know or how well you know it.