On the numbers

[Kream926]

wouldnt they be going under G.S to hit numbers. correct me if im wrong but doesnt ILS GS take you down to the 1000 footers if you were to follow it down.

but anyways....who cares. let em aim for it. does it really bother you that much?? if everyone was using the 2nd half of the runway, would you complain about that to?

sorry to be soundin like douche, im really not tryin to, thats the way i talk. im a New Yorker.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Mini,


I am with you 100% on this one. If you want to try and be precise, fly the glideslope all the way down to the TDZE, which will put you on or near the 1000ft markers.

I think this "put it on the numbers" tendency comes from instructors teaching this to students early in their training. I know I used to always say this. Once you say this, the student will attempt to do this in all their future landings. I used to love watching the flight school students put the mains down in a nice stall 10 feet prior to the threshhold in the blastpad.


Art V., Vandalay Industries

 

[minitour]

wouldnt they be going under G.S to hit numbers. correct me if im wrong but doesnt ILS GS take you down to the 1000 footers if you were to follow it down.

but anyways....who cares. let em aim for it. does it really bother you that much?? if everyone was using the 2nd half of the runway, would you complain about that to?

sorry to be soundin like douche, im really not tryin to, thats the way i talk. im a New Yorker.

Yeah, the GS should be right at the 1000 foot marks (aiming point)

Would I be mad if they used the rest of the runway? Not at all...that's what its there for.

I guess I get frustrated when I see people thinking they have to touch at the numbers when there's no reason to.

Art,
Couldn't agree more...it's amazing how many students end up in the blast pad...why? There's nearly 5,000' of pavement ahead of them to set it down on...

Maybe it is an instruction thing...but a nice stabilized approach, good roundout and flare and smoothly on the mains then gently lowering the nosewheel...that's what I call a good landing...not one that hits at the numbers for the first turn off.

-mini

 

[Flyin Tony]

But anyway...I don't like to say "OK, I'm gonna put it right on the numbers"...then blow the spot by 1000 feet.QUOTE]

I do that all the time

 

[JonJohn82]

Alot of instrument students at my school practice short fields just to not go cold on them.

 

[minitour]

Alot of instrument students at my school practice short fields just to not go cold on them.

And I'm sure there is a short strip with an instrument approach out there where that would be a good thing to do...

But I'm also thinking that you'd prbably have a 400-500' MDA and not a 200'DH too...

I dunno...

I know I know its a stupid topic but it was driving me crazy

-mini

 

[flywithi]

fly the plane

or you cold fly the approach at whatever spped you need to (70-120) and then slow it down when you need to (who is behind you) put on the spot you want to (wherever you want as long as it is what you intended so you are not sloppy) ease off on the brakes, all trainers slow down easy on the ground and in the air, and get off the runway within 30 seconds to a minute and it is all good. Basically fly the plane, decide what you want the plane to do and make it do it. just my dumb humble opinion that no one really wants anyway

 

[minitour]

I'm tired of that freakin back course! Next time I do a localizer I'm gonna turn the wrong way!

and DO be careful!

My ride was the ILS, BC, hold at the OM of the LOC and then the LOC PP.

Did the ILS perfect, missed was good, BC was good, missed was fine, hold was great, but on one of my turns inbound, I found myself wanting to "drag the needle" with me...corrected it at about half deflection with a "dum de dum de dum" turn back to the right...

Be careful!

-mini

 

[FlyingBuckI]

Next time I do a localizer I'm gonna turn the wrong way!

Have your instructor/ATC give you a BC hold and get used to watching the needle. I've flown that approach many times without a problem...it's all a matter of technique and being able to visualize where you are. (or find an a/c with an HSI and do it the 'easy' way)

btw, tell dave wesalo at epic that one of his ahp buddies says hello!

 

[Vector4fun]

Mini,

I used to take a good deal of pride in being able to touch down in the first 30' of runway. I learned that way because I flew out of a lot of short strips. But it's not a good practice at larger airports with APP and threshold lighing because often those lights are sticking 2-3' up in the air at the threshold. We just recently had a student take a few out.

But to comment on your other question, I love it when a pilot can make the first turn-off when there's faster traffic following. What kills us is when the aspiring Cessna pilot thinks they have to slow to 65 kts on a two or three mile final to do that. Hello, it's a fixed gear Cessna. If you're in the top of the white arc at a mile, you can be at 65 kts at the threshold, no problem, as long as you're not way high....