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Alright, i know it's just wrong, but i just had to keep this going!!! Everyone needs to look at the thread in the general section titled "Holy line of thunderstorms...", sorry i don't know how to do the link. Ahhh, this is so great, you need to watch me keep these guys going, it is so much fun, they are all trying to "school" me on how things are suppossed to be, but the joke is on them. I am purposely trying to get em all fired up, it is just too much fun...most of the stuff i am putting in there is pretty bogus, but then again some is truth. You will just have to pick out the fun and the real for yourself.

For those of you on here that know me, you can definately see it happening, but for those of you who do not, it might take a little while to truly understand my humor. I do love having fun with people...life is too short to not have fun...:laugh: :laugh: :nuts:
 

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Oh man it's pretty fun...

The commercials are at www.frontierairlines.com then go to public relations (i think) then it should be under the "whole different animal" section, just click on commercials and it will give you a few...i think right now the ones they have are of Jack, getting his go over by the MX people...pretty dang funny...and then there are the two with the penguins promoting the frequent flyer program...those are great too....oh man, now i need to go watch them...solo...yeah, so low we can't hear ya....oh jees, that's freekin' hilarious!!!
 

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Starchkr, I've a pretty good sense of humor, but I missed the joke in your first post in that thread - I guess you'd have to have been there.

Keep stoking the fires though, open up a few jobs for the rest of us :)
 

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I don't think most of us plan on being freight dogs for our entire careers, and one of the barriers that we all face when we move on is being interviewed by a guy who never flew freight and thinks that we're all cowboys who have no regard for the regs or safety. Those who have flown freight understand, those who haven't never will, but I don't see how tormenting the guys who don't get it and reenforcing our "cowboy" image is going to help us move on down the road. I don't want to be sitting in a corporate chief pilot's office for an interview someday and hear him say "well, we don't really like to hire ex-freight types because they don't fit in here."

I know that there are things that we do, day to day as freight dogs that are well within the bounds of safety and aircraft limitations that corporate and 121 crews don't do because it simply wouldn't be comfortable for their pax or wouldn't fit in with ATC's plans, but if they've never done it, it's outside of their paradigm of safe flying and regardless of how safe and normal it is to us, the wieners over on the other side of the clock are going to think that we're out of our minds. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't give them more reasons to continue thinking that because most of us are going to be trying to get them to hire us at some point.
 

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NoPax...the whole thing was a ribbing, not just one part of it...it's a flame...although it is mostly true, i knew that since this topic has been beaten to death on this board that a little fun would not hurt too many of us. I say it is a mostly true story, because it was, but i knew just how others would react from the previous posts on stuff like this...so why not take a shot and have some fun. If you re-read all my posts you can usually find the little smilies after things that are intended to get people fired up, and then the addition of things in () also "usually" shows an intentional show of humor...however, it takes a little thought to sometimes get it...and apparently some do not get it at all, which is why i just had to keep em all fired up.

milehigh...it's those narrow minded guys that you really don't want to fly for anyway...the ones who will never listen to what you have to say or offer just because you flew freight in a previous job. They will be the same once you get the job as well. As a freight pilot i understand that eventually i will go somewhere else, and i will learn to fly a different way, their way, and i will be fine with that, it is what is expected of us...it is all part of the job. As far as sitting in there and he says"well, we really don't like to hire ex-freight types because they don't fit in here," well, their loss, there will be better jobs out there anyway.
 

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I agree that I don't want to work for a narrow minded guy like that anway, but I don't want to make the road any harder on myself anway. It's definately their loss if they don't want to hire a former freight dog though, I'm based in Teterhole and the stupid things that i see corporate crews do every single day just makes me laugh at the assertion that because they're flying part 91 corporate that they're automatically perfect and safe pilots. What a joke. There are good pilots and bad pilots in every field in aviation. That being said, if I had to blindly pick a pilot from one aspect of aviation and i was trying to get the best stick and rudder pilot available, I'd take a freight pilot every time. The odds are just more in your favor.
 

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milehigh6080 said:
That being said, if I had to blindly pick a pilot from one aspect of aviation and i was trying to get the best stick and rudder pilot available, I'd take a freight pilot every time.

I wouldn't - cause I might end up picking starchkr :smash:

Seriously though - unless your flying freight in heavy iron for UPS or FEDEX etc., it is an entry level job. I speak from experience. I instructed for 1800 hrs, picking and choosing which days to fly etc, then got a job flying freight. I'll probably get another job flying freight before I try for something different.

I could be wrong, but I bet starchkr (if you called yourself that where I come from it might get you beat up:eek:) hasn't passed an interview anywhere else other than AirNet - and I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, as I am guilty also, but just making my 'entry level job point'.

Some are more lucky than others and get hired at a company that can transition you into flying freight in a jet and get paid enough to eat everyday.

[starchkr is that appropriate use of smilies and parentheses]
 
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Well, Airnet was my first job...besides instructing...i came onboard with 500 hrs and have been having fun ever since. Yes it was my first true interview in the world of aviation. As far as passing other interviews, i have had three and have had three callbacks to start classes, while they were all regionals, they still count as interviews passed and class offers. Now i turned them all down for various reasons, the biggest being that i really could not take the pay cut at the time, and most recently because of the previous speculation of Delta filing BK not too long ago.

I've heard that about growing up in da hood...you get beat up for calling yourself lots of things...but i doubt a play on our callsign would cause the crack babbies to beat someone up.(Do i need to put in here that that was supposed to be a crack, ha no pun intended, at humor?):D
 

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Coincidentally enough, I just wound up having about a 30 minute conversation in an FBO with a guy who retired early from Delta 2 years ago and wanted to get back into GA. He referred to himself as a "born again pilot" and says that he's finally having fun again. His first job out of Delta was Airnet, he spent a couple months here and then moved onto a corporate job close to his home. He was saying that although he only spent a short time at Airnet, he was impressed with the operation in general and the training department in particular. He said he thought it was as good as any training he had recieved in his career and he thought it was on par with Delta.

The reason I bring this up here is that although flying pt 135 freight is an entry level job for most of us, that does not mean that it's all a bunch of cowboys flying around making up their own rules as they go. If a guy who had just spent 25 years at a legacy carrier can have a positive impression of the operation as a whole, it tells me that regardless of the bravado that we like to have when sitting around the FBO (or on flightinfo) telling lies like all pilots do, it's a safe operation and it's not entirely composed of misfits who only fly freight because it's the only place they can go.

All pilots like telling their tales of adventure, but we're a professional and safe operation and it was nice to have a seasoned professional recognize that. I think the stories of heroism and adventure are great, but there are unfortunately a bunch of people on this board and in real life who are on a short fuse and can't wait to jump on your back for making a slight exaggeration- that's why I'd rather keep the baiting such as the thunderstorm thread to more of a private forum like starcheck55 or in the FBO over coffee, there's no need to cultivate a negative reputation that we really don't deserve.
 

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I'm not sure if they held him to the contract, I didn't think to ask until after I took off. $7,000 isn't really a prohibitive number though if a better job comes along. I wouldn't leave before my 1 year because I'm young and don't have the savings to just write that check right now, but I'm sure if I was older and retired from one job already I'd just write the check and go if there was a better job waiting for me.
 

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The main thing is...look at that radar picture. I don't know anyone who would look at that and worry. It's all green! Two completely different scales of assessment between cargo guys and everyone else.

That's all I have.
 

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FastestPA31Ever said:
The main thing is...look at that radar picture. I don't know anyone who would look at that and worry. It's all green! Two completely different scales of assessment between cargo guys and everyone else.

That's all I have.

Haha, oh totally, how bad could the thunderstorm really be? It's November, it's beein in the high 60s, that's not exactly a recipe for a killer storm. The other day when it was passing through the NY area there was only green, dark green and very very small areas of yellow. Flying along in heavy rain, no problem, when an airline crew starts doing their usual "can we turn xx degrees for weather," being NY they said "uh, nope, no way can you go that direction, you'll screw up the finals for about 45 different airports- I'll have to hold you till the weather clears to your liking," the pilot says "uh, ok" then keys the mike again in about 0.24 seconds and says "I'm not holding in this stuff, I'm declaring an emergency and turning to xx heading." Wonderful, I could just hear all the airports in the area going onto ground stop programs because there's some level 2 rain that nobody will fly through. I'm not advocating flying through heavy T-storms with a bunch of paying passengers onboard, or boxes for that matter, but give me a break- we can't fly in rain now?
 

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Milehigh and nopax, I think you guys are right on. Nothing but respect for Starchkr on this site too - but I understand that you guys at AirNet have a pretty good operation. Unfortunately, in the world of 135 cargo, you're the exception as far as I can tell. There's about a handful of freight companies out there that don't suck, but I'm finding that the vast majority of mom 'n pop operators are marginally mediocre at best. And they give the rest of you guys a bad name, whether you like it or not. I'd like to come work with you guys, Ameriflight, or some other such outfit just because you stand out in the sea of trashy cargo operators out there. Don't F up your reputation as one of the more outstanding 135 operators, because that reputation may get you in the door when you go to your next interview. Know what I'm sayin'?
 

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Milehigh...I agree that we don't need to cultivate a negative rep anywhere, but we already have it just from being a 135 cargo operation. We are looked down upon as soon as we say we fly freight, no matter who we say we fly for. Most of the people that look down upon us are the ones who have themselves NEVER flown freight because it is too far below them to even think of doing it. I am pretty sure that the ones i was baiting and screwing with in the thunderstorm thread are a few of those poeple, and no matter what we say about how safe the operation is (or any freight operation for that matter) they will still see up as trash because of our industry. Unfortunately these are the same people we will have to work with in the future when we move on, and they will still look down upon us then just because we flew freight at one time. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

SpatialD...Yes we are one of the exceptions to the 135 cargo industry. I know many out there that i just don't see how the FAA lets them keep operating. Yes they give us a bad name, but in all actuality, the bad name came from many many years ago when places like Airnet or Ameriflite didn't exist. The industry has always been filled with people who are willing to actually do things others are not, and because of that we got the rep. Still today, even though many of theose things have changed from the years past, we maintain the bad rep...and i can guarantee that we will keep it forever. As i said above to milehigh, it is because of the "i'm too good to fly freight," guys/gals that we get this rep. Until everyone begins to see that we are actually safe in what we do, they will continue to look down upon us.

Also, I really do not think that ribbing people on a thread is going to be detrimental to all of us...as i said, the ones who were offended are offended at everything everyone writes on here anyway...they see themselves as the gods of the aviation world, and will never change. If you don't see it their way you are scum, and should be removed from the industry.
 

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starchkr said:
Milehigh...I agree that we don't need to cultivate a negative rep anywhere, but we already have it just from being a 135 cargo operation. We are looked down upon as soon as we say we fly freight, no matter who we say we fly for. Most of the people that look down upon us are the ones who have themselves NEVER flown freight because it is too far below them to even think of doing it. I am pretty sure that the ones i was baiting and screwing with in the thunderstorm thread are a few of those poeple, and no matter what we say about how safe the operation is (or any freight operation for that matter) they will still see up as trash because of our industry. Unfortunately these are the same people we will have to work with in the future when we move on, and they will still look down upon us then just because we flew freight at one time. It's unfortunate, but it's true.

SpatialD...Yes we are one of the exceptions to the 135 cargo industry. I know many out there that i just don't see how the FAA lets them keep operating. Yes they give us a bad name, but in all actuality, the bad name came from many many years ago when places like Airnet or Ameriflite didn't exist. The industry has always been filled with people who are willing to actually do things others are not, and because of that we got the rep. Still today, even though many of theose things have changed from the years past, we maintain the bad rep...and i can guarantee that we will keep it forever. As i said above to milehigh, it is because of the "i'm too good to fly freight," guys/gals that we get this rep. Until everyone begins to see that we are actually safe in what we do, they will continue to look down upon us.

Also, I really do not think that ribbing people on a thread is going to be detrimental to all of us...as i said, the ones who were offended are offended at everything everyone writes on here anyway...they see themselves as the gods of the aviation world, and will never change. If you don't see it their way you are scum, and should be removed from the industry.


Well said!!!!!

Now can everyone quit bashing each other's company. We are all in the same boat here, and my company is not better than yours, and yours is not better than mine.

Serenity now, floks.


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