Official Expressjet Hiring Info

[COEX-FO]

Here is the official word from the company for all that are interested! With our new contract, XJT will be a great place to work.

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With the anticipated recall of all furloughed pilots by the end of January, 2004, Flight Operations is preparing to once again interview and hire pilots. This need is based on the recently announced recall of CAL pilots, the addition of 21 aircraft and increased flight hours for the year 2004. The exact number of new hires has yet to be determined but hiring should be rather constant throughout 2004.

Because of all the many changes in our organization and technology over the past 2 years, we are revamping the hiring process. We will do the first phase of pilot selection on the internet followed by the traditional written examinations and personal interviews at the Training Center. The first step for interested applicants is to log on to www.expressjet.com and select Job Opportunities. Once the applicant has this screen displayed, follow the prompts.

This initial portion of our hiring process will be administered by our vendor, PeopleScout. They will do the prescreening of applicants based on the criteria established by the Company. Applicants who pass the initial phase will be scheduled for a 1 day interview process in Houston. It is anticipated that the first interviews will begin in January. The initial flight hour minimum requirements are industry standard however, depending on the quality and response of the applicants, these standards may be revised
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[avbug]

The expressjet questionaire:



The starting salary for an ExpressJet pilot is approximately $20,000 per year. Is this acceptable?
Yes
NO (What, no room for Hell, no)?



New-hire pilot training last from 60 to 90 days. ExpressJet provides a hotel room and per diem during this training. Pay starts when a new-hire pilot passes the initial proficiency check. Is this acceptable?
Yes
NO (Again, there is no provision to answer this strongly enough)



Certain circumstances may require you to lift, push, or pull equipment or baggage weighing up to 50 pounds. Can you meet this requirement?
YES (Yes: coincidentally that's the size of the weight I can lift to drop on your head when you folks insist in defecating on the industry in such a manner)
No

 

[wingnutt]

so should they keep an eye out for your resume there, avbug?

 

[MarineGrunt]

The expressjet questionaire:



The starting salary for an ExpressJet pilot is approximately $20,000 per year. Is this acceptable?
Yes
NO (What, no room for Hell, no)?



New-hire pilot training last from 60 to 90 days. ExpressJet provides a hotel room and per diem during this training. Pay starts when a new-hire pilot passes the initial proficiency check. Is this acceptable?
Yes
NO (Again, there is no provision to answer this strongly enough)



Certain circumstances may require you to lift, push, or pull equipment or baggage weighing up to 50 pounds. Can you meet this requirement?
YES (Yes: coincidentally that's the size of the weight I can lift to drop on your head when you folks insist in defecating on the industry in such a manner)
No

I agree with all of the above, but it seems to be the standard in the industry (at least with the regionals). So what is a guy to do?

 

[captjim]

Don't apply! Save administration the time and just move on.

 

[starvingcfi]

...or apply, interview, get the job, upgrade in a few years, and with any luck move on to a major.

that's what i'm doing in january.

you can b*tch about the pay, but isn't the pay pretty much the same everywhere? why boycott x-jet when eagle is doing the same thing? just trying to get some details, avbug.

 

[avbug]

Come work at burger king. We won't pay you for the first 90 days; you can survive. We don't think enough of you to pay you for the first 90 days; you're not that important to us. We know you can get WIC and welfare, live on food stamps and get public assistance for the heat in your house, we don't need to pay you enough to survive. Besides, enough low time punk ass wannabe pinheads are willing to put up with our program that we don't ever need to raise this standard.

Doctor Yibbits, we welcome you to Memorial General. We anticipate you'll make a valuable addition to our staff. We're pleased to offer you the priestly sum of twenty grand for your professional services, and just to make sure you fit in, we'll let you sleep in the cloakroom for the first three months, and withold your pay.

A doctor wouldn't do it, a worker at burger king wouldn't do it...but you will. And you want me to tell you about it?

I had an opportunity to interview with XXXX once...a long time ago. They required new hires to pay for their training, unless they had a minimum amount of experience. I had enough experience that I wouldn't have to pay. When I arrived, it had never occured to me that they wouldn't pay during training. Someone mentioned this while we were waiting for the interview.

The interview was held across the bed in a motel room...didn't say good things about the company, at all. When the interview was over, the interviewer asked if I had any questions. I said yes, I understand you don't pay new hires during training. He said that was right, and asked if I had a problem with it. Why yes, I said. I certainly did. I stood, shook his hand, thanked him for his time, and caught the first flight home.

Twenty grand for the first year? Crikey. My child support payments are more than that.

 

[350DRIVER]

or apply, interview, get the job, upgrade in a few years, and with any luck move on to a major.

Now that was comical. AA or UAL or maybee even DAL.? come on......I do like the ambitious attitude in this young buck but the fact is you will be making $hit and some change and most fast food workers make just as much. It is sad that our new hires are getting almost double what you will be "settling" for and these aircraft don't even require 2 pilots per type certificate.


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but he!!, you will be Mr. airline pilot so guess pay does not matter...

 

[minrest]

avbug,

You went all the way to the interview, paid for a hotel room (presumably) and didn't know that they had PFT and didn't pay you during initial training? Why did you even send in the resume if you knew nothing about the company or the job?

By the way, I also declined to participate in the PFT programs that so many commuters offered in the 90's. It was criminal. Not paying for the first 90 days is criminal. And $20K a year is horrible. Unfortunately there are only two ways to change this:

1. All pilots stop applying for jobs at regionals.

2. Get hired at a regional and make changes from within.

Six years ago, pilots at Express paid $10,000 for the job, were unpaid for the first 60 to 90 days and then received about $15,000 for their first year pay. Oh, they paid for their hotel rooms during training as well. There have been dramatic improvements since due to the vigilance of the pilot group and there are dramatic improvements yet to come.

-minrest

 

[CUEBOAT]

Quote "It is sad that our new hires are getting almost double what you will be "settling" for and these aircraft don't even require 2 pilots per type certificate. "

So let me get this straight, an ERJ needs only one pilot?

 

[Dep676]

Quote "It is sad that our new hires are getting almost double what you will be "settling" for and these aircraft don't even require 2 pilots per type certificate. "

So let me get this straight, an ERJ needs only one pilot?

No gomer. Read his post again. "our new hires" meaning that the new hires at the company he works for.

Don't be coming down on avbug because he believes one should be compensated fairly. If EX-Jet was such a great company to work for they would at least show by paying you while you are in training. Also pay a decent livable wage also. 20G a year is a disgrace. Who gives rats a$$ if when you get out of school you will be flying a new jet. That doesn't pay the rent or put food on the table.

And to think that you are going to do your time at Ex-Jet and move on to the majors in a couple of years. What kind of crack you smoking? The way things are going. It will lucky if there are majors around then to go to.

 

[Checks]

Avbug,

I have read many of your wonderful and informative posts and I have to tell you this: This X-Jet posting is your best.

The only thing you left out is that it isnt just the 1st year pay that sucks, how many years as an FO to break 35K??

 

[BRA]

I am at colgan and i cracked 20K this year as an FO. A few months of this year were at 2nd year pay, but that was only $2 more an hour @$22. I didn't PFT, and this is for the 1900. Coex has a 50 seat jet. Too bad it isn't an increase in pay to leave a 1900 to go on to fly a 50 seat jet. I know the captain makes a lot more there then at colgan, but man, the FO pay is bad. At least coex isn't PFT right now though.

 

[EMBATP]

OK i did not pay for training nor did i get paid while training, but i don't believe things like this are new.
what to work for ATA? they have a $24,000/ 2 year training contract.
want to work for AirTran? they dont pay hotel rooms in training either.

not saying this is right, just not limited to calex, so get off it...

 

[bart]

1. All pilots stop applying for jobs at regionals.

You listed a second option, but this is the only one that will work.

If I offered the kids in my neighborhood $1 to cut my grass they would all laugh. But if I offered them $1 with the chance to upgrade to the riding mower "when the time was right" and make $20 cutting it once that happened, I wonder if they would jump on it?

This seems similar to the situation with the airlines. I wonder if this will ever go away. The prospect is unlikely, since there is always someone out there willing to do the job for next to nothing.

It would be interesting to see a salary distribution among all pilots. I wonder what percentage of them would be making less than $35K a year. I would bet it would be higher than even I imagine.

 

[captjim]

No gomer. Read his post again. "our new hires" meaning that the new hires at the company he works for.

Don't be coming down on avbug because he believes one should be compensated fairly. If EX-Jet was such a great company to work for they would at least show by paying you while you are in training. Also pay a decent livable wage also. 20G a year is a disgrace. Who gives rats a$$ if when you get out of school you will be flying a new jet. That doesn't pay the rent or put food on the table.

And to think that you are going to do your time at Ex-Jet and move on to the majors in a couple of years. What kind of crack you smoking? The way things are going. It will lucky if there are majors around then to go to.

Please do not apply at XJT, we have a lot of people who are fun to work with, don't taint our pilot pool.

 

[avbug]

Oh, I filled out the app on the web site, alright. I wanted an opportunity to tell them what to kiss, in person.

 

[Dep676]

Oh, I filled out the app on the web site, alright. I wanted an opportunity to tell them what to kiss, in person.

That's another good post by avbug.

By the way don't worry. I won't be applying anytime soon. I am fun to work with also. Just because I don't want to be whored out makes me not fun?

 

[starvingcfi]

wait. how is my post funny? i know the industry is $hit right now, but you don't think any majors will be hiring in 6-8 yrs? really? i didn't know i was making a joke.

as far as the pay, it sucks. i'm going to be making 50% of what i'm making flying charter...but i'll do it. charter isn't going to take me to ups. not going to skip from a 414 to a ups 757 am i?

i'll take the pay cut for the opportunity to fly for the company i've been watching since i was a kid. i don't wanna make $20K, but maybe it will pay off in the end.

i don't want to whore myself out. if i were paying for training, not getting payed the first 90 days, and making $10K my first year then i would be whoring myself. taking a regional job with a decent company that pays for training and $20K my first year isn't whoring myself. it's taking a low paying job. it's changing my current lifestyle. it's not whoring myself out.

i don't see anything wrong with taking a job that pays industry standard. the industry sucks. the pay sucks. but it's standard. will not applying change the standard? f*ck no. it will just screw me out of my childhood dream.

change the standard or keep your mouth shut, avbug. either way will make us all happy.

 

[avbug]

It's precisely by refusing to shut my mouth that the only chance exists to change this so-called standard, hotshot.

By remaining silent and doing nothing, one ratifies the wrongs perpetuated in the industry, and becomes a bed partner, a perpetrator; part of the problem.

Call it what you want. You're a whore. A prostitute. A seller of your own soul; a seller of your fellow pilot. You're the one who defecates in the bed of the industry, and then wallows in it with some cockeyed justification for your actions. Your willingness to do so is filthy, vile. In your own selfrighteous gore, claim what you will. You're still playing the part of a whore.

If I lock you up in a small room in my basement and slowly press nails into your skull while laughing and recording it digitally, I can replay it to a paying audience as a marketable snuff film. Your blood for my wealth. After all, I'm aiming for something higher; why not justify your suffering for my benifit? Seems that you feel you'll be making the big bucks one day, so honoring the sad state of the industry to do so makes it all okay...after all, you'll benifit one day. Even at the cost of validating pathetic industry practices, ratifying it with your very act.

Claim innocense; your actions speak louder than words.

Hows that for shutting up?

 

[350DRIVER]

The problem ( one of many) is that present day we have "kids" who are dumb and nieve to the pay issues, and then "magic" we have these so-called bridge programs set up with colleges/regionals/135 departments, etc, to get them in the door at a ridiculous low time so "pay" is not an issue at all cause now they are "airline pilots". (big time airline pilots) Fortunately our company as well as many others have cut this program out completely to keep them from lowering the standards, I personally applaud this move very loudly. At one point when I was young and nieve to the facts regarding these issues when someone would ask me to walk a resume in, attach a lor, etc, I would but no longer... I guess it takes a few years to wake up and smell the coffee.

avbug can I help you out.?

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[CUEBOAT]

Avbug, I recommend contacting the FAA on all who sell out. Bad moral Character equals no ATP. No ATP equals never being capt. this wonderful plan they have will back fire.

 

[FSB99]

Avbug.. if getting hired at xjet equates to whoring or selling yourself out, then.. which airlines out there, in your opinion, are not brothels?

 

[rattler]

Okay let me get this striaght. Don't we all try to find the job that will best promote our career goals? Sure it is a crime to pay someone $20K a year to fly a 50 pax jet. But to say "okay, let's just not apply to these jobs, and managment will be forced to pay new hires more" is absolutly rediculous. Good luck with that one. I truely believe the only way we can raise pilot pay scales at the lower level is strength from within. By voting no on subpar contracts, and not listening to the CEO's that tell us we will go out of buisness, the airline can't afford these rates, we are already operating in the red, etc, etc, etc. Screw these guys and their $10 million dollar bonuses! Let's get paid! It will only happen if each pilot group sticks together, and educates themselves with the facts, not what managment wants you to believe.

 

[C-DALE DRVR]

hey guys I work at COEX and I think avbug is right. The pay is **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** (4th yr FO=28,000). The crews are great though, I can't say that I havn't really flown with anyone I didn't ge along with. Hopefully our new contract works out well. Also don't count on upgrading anytime soon, I think It's gonna take a least a year for me. As far as new hires go, they pay for hotel and cut you a check for per diem half way through but no pay until you pass the sim ride.

 

[210FR8DOG]

At least it's not Pinnacle

At least they give you some sandwich money and a place to sleep. At Pinnacle, they don't even give you a hotel room or perdiem and no pay on top of that!!! I think that is insanity. I would have to sleep in my truck and hang out at Burger King after hours like a dog to get something to eat.

Trash Man at BK-"Hey man, whats up?"

Penisaccle new hire-"just tryin' to get somethin' to eat"

TM- "you wanna borrow a dollar?"

P new hire- "na, I couldn't pay you back for about a year or so, can I just have something out of that bag before you throw it out?"

TSA is paying 60 hours during training but no perdiem and no place to stay. I found a crash pad for $125 a month. Still works out to about $1100 a month more than Pinnacle even after the pad. It pretty much sucks everywhere during training/first yr. Just pick your poison. One day when I make captain at around 55k or so that will be the payoff. I've never been rich and thats a lot of money to me and doing what I love. So I'll pay my dues a few more years and wait for that Captain upgrade. No majors for me. I'm too old. If it's really that bad go be a lawyer. I hear they pay pretty good!!

 

[starvingcfi]

we could argue this for days. meanwhile, i'm going to try to further my career. not by working for free. not by whoring myself out. not by screwing other pilots over to better myself. just by working.

i should've been a f*cking dentist.