Official: All on Cactus callsign effective 9/1/08

[Ocity]

I am so confused by the argument that AWA saved USA. Money came to the merger from outside either company and was arranged by the then CEO of US Bruce Lakefield whom is still the Vice Charmain of the board. It has been said publicly many times over by your president Scott Kirby that AWA would have met the same fate as USA and that the merger was needed to "save" both carriers.

wrong.

 

[Deadalus]

I am so confused by the argument that AWA saved USA. Money came to the merger from outside either company and was arranged by the then CEO of US Bruce Lakefield whom is still the Vice Charmain of the board. It has been said publicly many times over by your president Scott Kirby that AWA would have met the same fate as USA and that the merger was needed to "save" both carriers.

AWA's credit was used to get the money you mention. Lakefield may have thought of it, but McLellen did it. America West was profitable with money in the bank while US Air didn't have enough money left to make payroll. It was a very one sided merger(aquisition).

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

You guys still don't understand that your old USAir from 1985 is dead and gone?

Yet the flight plan will still be filed as USA and not AWA? Will this not be confusing for our ATC folks or even the crazy european controllers or carribean controllers? I can only imagine Havana center seeing USA on the strip and somehow thinking Cactus? They are already having enough trouble with language barriers. Is the name we all say that important? Would it not be easier to make the smaller west change versus the larger east, at lest if the west changed only the canadians and mexicans would be affected in regards to other countries. Only seems logical!

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

So will Delta pilots be using the Northwest callsign?

 

[AA717driver]

USAir ruined two good, small airlines when they merged with Piedmont.

They ruined a third good, small airline with the PSA acquisition.

A fourth was ruined when AWA was forced to acquire USAir.

A real shame on all counts. TC

 

[eatme]

I like Arbitrate Air; climb to FL370, etc...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

A fourth was ruined when AWA was forced to acquire USAir.

"Forced" to aquire??? Doug Parker wanted this deal...he just didn't want to pay for it, cuz he couldn't.

US Airways had to go knocking on doors to get the financing...when they had it...they called Doug, and he was ready to go forward.

Nobody "forced" anybody here

 

[SiouxHockeyFan]

USAir ruined two good, small airlines when they merged with Piedmont.

They ruined a third good, small airline with the PSA acquisition.

A fourth was ruined when AWA was forced to acquire USAir.

A real shame on all counts. TC

If anyone feels US Airways or America West are crappy you must remember the two companies have been run by AWA management for the last three years. They aren't called MESA GRANDE for nothing!!

 

[Deadalus]

"Forced" to aquire??? Doug Parker wanted this deal...he just didn't want to pay for it, cuz he couldn't.

US Airways had to go knocking on doors to get the financing...when they had it...they called Doug, and he was ready to go forward.

Nobody "forced" anybody here

US Air couldn't get financing that is why they used AWA's credit to get it. AWA was forced to move up the merger because there was a risk of forced liquadation. How can you guys be so out of whack with reality?

 

[waveflyer]

Neither carrier was stellar--- but there's no excuse for anarchy... management and lawyers are the only winners in this.

You AGREED to binding arbitration.... You may not like the LAW= but it's still the LAW= and it WILL hold up.

 

[m80drvr]

"Forced" to aquire??? Doug Parker wanted this deal...he just didn't want to pay for it, cuz he couldn't.

US Airways had to go knocking on doors to get the financing...when they had it...they called Doug, and he was ready to go forward.

Nobody "forced" anybody here

Ooooooo, I get it. It was the twice bankrupt airline that got the financing the do the merger. Damn dude I give up discussing this with you guys. You are truely insane.

Just for kicks PLEASE quote ONE article that supports your crack head notion that it was USAir that brought the money to this transaction.

You guys are just plain Fing idiots.

 

[denny]

I have my own ideas on this and also one question.

Does it really matter who bought who, who brought the money to the table, who set up the deal, who wanted the deal, who pushed the deal? Does it matter?

From what I see top management at AWA is now running the new US Airways. All old US Air top management is gone.

So now that this operation is running as it is does it really matter about the origination of the deal? And if it does, why?

Why are pilots so wrapped around the axle about the economic state of the airline/industry when they have no more control or influence over it than does a ramper?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I have my own ideas on this and also one question.

Does it really matter who bought who, who brought the money to the table, who set up the deal, who wanted the deal, who pushed the deal? Does it matter?


Why are pilots so wrapped around the axle about the economic state of the airline/industry when they have no more control or influence over it than does a ramper?

BINGO !!! All good points...it is what it is...no matter how it all happened...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Ooooooo, I get it. It was the twice bankrupt airline that got the financing the do the merger. Damn dude I give up discussing this with you guys. You are truely insane.

Just for kicks PLEASE quote ONE article that supports your crack head notion that it was USAir that brought the money to this transaction.

You guys are just plain Fing idiots.

Just call Doug Parker and ask him...or email him.

 

[Danny040]

Does this mean instead of hearing the possessive "UsAir's 641" callsign ill be hearing "Cactuses' 641?"

is it just me hearing that out there? why do you say that?

 

[TWA Dude]

Does it really matter who bought who, who brought the money to the table, who set up the deal, who wanted the deal, who pushed the deal? Does it matter?

Nope.

From what I see top management at AWA is now running the new US Airways. All old US Air top management is gone.

Dougweiser and Scooter are at the top but the flight and training departments are now 100% run by Easties.

Why are pilots so wrapped around the axle about the economic state of the airline/industry when they have no more control or influence over it than does a ramper?

Because it affects us.

 

[denny]

Because it affects us.

What can you do about it?

All publicly owned companies are run for the shareholder's benefits and not the employees. That's US law. An oversimplification but when push comes to shove the shareholder's interests rate far, far above the employees interests.

 

[sktwstdfrk]

Does this mean instead of hearing the possessive "UsAir's 641" callsign ill be hearing "Cactuses' 641?"

is it just me hearing that out there? why do you say that?

It's not just you.

 

[Bobo135R]

What about "AmWays"....?? is that taken?

and I kinda like flyin' outta Sky Harbor.. - Peace

 

[Golden Falcon]

Shareholders vs employees....shares in what?? A "company" is a group of people (employees) facilitating the operation of a business...one airlines out there does indeed realize this...wonder when the rest will....and getting involved with USAir has indeed ruined many airlines...now the rusties (easties) are trying to finish it off..AWA should have let USAir sink and picked the carcass...