Obama very bad for MDW

[MSNFlier]

One reason why Presidents need their..."stuff"

Obama's in Chicago or Bush is in Crawford, take your pick...

NORAD (or its successor - I'm not military, but I suspect someone's doing much the same thing) detects a missile launch from central Asia - southern Russia or Iran. If they're headed to the US, the president has - ballpark - 20 minutes to decide what to do. The "Football" (actually a brief case-looking thing) in the possession of a US military officer (Air Force, I believe) containing the nation's nuclear launch codes who is either IN BO's home in Hyde Park, Chicago or right next door or, in W's case, probably a guest-house type build at his ranch in Crawford.

BO's or W's Secret Service close detail is notified that it's possible they may have to move the President. In Hyde Park, the cars are warmed up, I have no idea where Marine One might be - nearby somewhere? In Crawford, Marine One is warmed up on its pad built just after W became President because there was room to build it.

NORAD determines there could be a threat to the US based upon initial trajectory. USSS decides to get the President moved to the place where he can be safest while still in communication if there is, indeed, an attack on the US occurring: Air Force 1.

This, ultimately, is the end game and, although they don't say so, it's why when the President goes ANYWHERE it's such a production. Safety first, but the end game is the real reason.

20 minutes.

Think about it before you start your whining.

 

[Lynxman]

He's just another man that can be replaced if the unfortunate event of him being killed were to happen. It's not like the country would fall apart if the president were to die, thats the reason there is a vice president. With that being said I wish death on noone just stating that this is frustrating living in Chicago and not being able to fly. Obama is ruining my game with a girl right now. I had plans to fly a girl to dinner tonight but that of course will need to be replanned. Thanks Obama now I need to find a new way to get in her pants ugh. lol

 

[timmay]

Obama's in Chicago or Bush is in Crawford, take your pick...

NORAD (or its successor - I'm not military, but I suspect someone's doing much the same thing) detects a missile launch from central Asia - southern Russia or Iran. If they're headed to the US, the president has - ballpark - 20 minutes to decide what to do. The "Football" (actually a brief case-looking thing) in the possession of a US military officer (Air Force, I believe) containing the nation's nuclear launch codes who is either IN BO's home in Hyde Park, Chicago or right next door or, in W's case, probably a guest-house type build at his ranch in Crawford.

BO's or W's Secret Service close detail is notified that it's possible they may have to move the President. In Hyde Park, the cars are warmed up, I have no idea where Marine One might be - nearby somewhere? In Crawford, Marine One is warmed up on its pad built just after W became President because there was room to build it.

NORAD determines there could be a threat to the US based upon initial trajectory. USSS decides to get the President moved to the place where he can be safest while still in communication if there is, indeed, an attack on the US occurring: Air Force 1.

This, ultimately, is the end game and, although they don't say so, it's why when the President goes ANYWHERE it's such a production. Safety first, but the end game is the real reason.

20 minutes.

Think about it before you start your whining.

That would be interesting since Iran still does not have a missle capable of striking the Continental US, and the flight time from southeast Asia to the US is closer to 35-40 minutes. Which is also the reason for the "Star Wars" program.

 

[DrProc]

ANd while his visit will not create any jobs directly, a large number of employees will get overtime. THat puts money in people's pockets.

What about the FBO's, flight schools that will sit idle during his business? Will those employees still be getting paid? How about the restaurants and hotels nearby that cater to many corporate pilots? Millions of dollars of lost revenue will be suffered by Atlantic, Signature, Million Air, etc over the next 4 years....

 

[MSNFlier]

Hmmm......

Timmay - OK, we'll assume you're correct - 35 - 40 minutes (you're not, by the way, but for now we'll take your time), how will those 15 or 20 minutes change where/what the USSS is going to do with Obama and/or the positioning of AF1 of Marine 1, if it's around?

How do YOU know whether Iran has an ICBM or not? It wasn't the point of the post - apparently the entire point of the post was lost on you - that it's not about all about Obama's safety and it's unfortunate that the general aviation community is inconvenienced, but it's about the President being able to get to AF1 and command US forces in the event of an unexpected ICBM attack on the country. Southern Asia would be southern Russia, for example, not southeast Asia - no one has ICBMs in southeast Asia.

Fly safe

 

[timmay]

Timmay - OK, we'll assume you're correct - 35 - 40 minutes (you're not, by the way, but for now we'll take your time), how will those 15 or 20 minutes change where/what the USSS is going to do with Obama and/or the positioning of AF1 of Marine 1, if it's around?

How do YOU know whether Iran has an ICBM or not? It wasn't the point of the post - apparently the entire point of the post was lost on you - that it's not about all about Obama's safety and it's unfortunate that the general aviation community is inconvenienced, but it's about the President being able to get to AF1 and command US forces in the event of an unexpected ICBM attack on the country. Southern Asia would be southern Russia, for example, not southeast Asia - no one has ICBMs in southeast Asia.

Fly safe

I understood what you were getting at however I think you missed my point. Lets say that you were correct, that it takes 20 minutes from launch of an ICBM to impact in Chicago. As you said the threat would have to be confirmed, go up the chain of command, make its way to the SS, and then get the Prez to AF1. I would bet that process would take 15 minutes minimum. Now according to you that leaves 5 minutes at best to get airborne and away from the shock wave of the nuclear blast. Would you risk putting the most important man in the world in the air 15 miles from ground zero of a nuke?

The point myself and others have made is flying two 747-200s, a C17 and all the other stuff that goes into flying the President to vacation once a month might be a little overkill. However, a trip to Europe is a different story.
Also google ICBM flight times it gives the three stages of flight, times, and payloads of every missle that every country in the world uses, and besides it on the internet so it must be true

 

[jman90]

Hey! KRFD fancies themselves as a Chicago area airport now... And they are waaaaaay outside the TFR!

 

[Tristar]

I just want to know why he gets a vacation every month and a half? These clowns spend millions upon millions trying to get the damn job, let them work at least a year before they get time off like the rest of us poor slobs. Once again, there is no limit to the amount of hypocrisy which spews forth from our elected morons (this is a non-partisan statement, by and large they're all crooks).

 

[LJ45]

from AIN:

Presidential TFR Disrupts Chicago Airspace
More than 20 Chicagoland airports experienced significant operational disruption as a result of the presidential temporary flight restriction (TFR) imposed over the past weekend. The TFR centered on downtown Chicago, in close proximity to President Obama’s residence immediately to the south, and extended out as far as 30 miles up to 18,000 feet. Aside from the air traffic freeze during Obama’s Saturday arrival and Monday departure, the TFR’s tight control over aircraft operations played havoc with Chicago airspace over the full weekend. Part 121, 125 and 135 operators in compliance with the TSA’s Standard Security Program (SSP) had access to both O’Hare and Midway Airports. General aviation and business aircraft not on an SSP were required to land at gateway airports in Rockford (RFD), Peoria (PIA) or South Bend (SBN) to be vetted by the TSA before being allowed to proceed to either ORD or MDW. Aircraft flying to any of the other airports within the TFR were required to receive and adhere to a clearance to enter the airspace. The TFR also cut deeply into revenue for FBOs, flight schools, banner-towing operations and others. If Obama adheres to his plan to visit his Chicago residence at least once every six weeks, similar TFRs will be enforced about 34 more times throughout his first term.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The issue isn't TFRs.... Midway airport is slated to be privatized... that is the real threat....

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

This is unbelievable. First off, maybe you didn't notice but he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. He can go where the hell he pleases. The TFR is there because of NATIONAL SERCURITY REASONS I believe that overrides Capt. I'm Special Joe Schmo pilot who thinks he is important and wants to fly in MDW. If you are inconvenienced than that is YOUR PROBLEM. Do like corporate operators(like the one I work for)have been doing for years and ADAPT AND OVERCOME. Don't come on here and cry on some message board because you believe they are putting TFRs up for $hits and giggles. I didn't hear you crying when all those TFRs went up after Sept 11th in the DC area. Do you know how many corporate outfits had to change the way they operated after Sept 11? You don't even have to deal with the TFR the whole year. And we wonder why the public looks at pilots like pre-maddonas. Obviously, atleast one of us thinks the leader of the freeworld should relocate because he can't operate out of MDW. Give me a break.

PS: And by the way with all the airports in that area why the hell would you want to operate out of that one?

 

[Boch]

Atlantic at mdw will have less than half the staff working when President Obama is in town. This is just an example of how mdw biz will SLOW. Not to mention the countless 91 and 135 operators that must "adapt and overcome" with already slim margins.

I think this was the original point of this thread but I cant remember anymore.

my point is gateway airports and lengthy goverment forms that take for ever to get is not going to cut it. we need some other plan that allows operations to continue at mdw while still retaining national security.

 

[BoilerUP]

LASP might have been proposed under Bush, but the Obama Administration has to approve it following the moratorium on new regulations and policy that was issued during Obama's first days in office.

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

Now, go get your shinebox, c0cksmoker.

The shine box line never gets old.......LOL

Seriously, people need to calm down. Put all the politics aside because that's NOT what the issue is about. Like it or not the person that was elected to be the President of the United States has a home in Chicago. Honestly, what is he supposed to do; not go back there? Can someone just answer that question for me. If you guys think you have it bad just imagine if you live on that street. Can someone with a sound mind answer that question for me. It seems like some of you acting like this is the first time they have put a TFR where the President is located.

 

[Tristar]

No, the POTUS TFR is not a new thing. What is somewhat new (at least within my experience) is having it regularly thrown over a major metropolitan airport on a regular basis. (Not including Clinton's haircut, and I don't mean the one he got in the oval office). Sure other presidents took time off, but let's face it - a TFR over Crawford, Little Rock, Kennebunkport, or even north of Santa Barbara doesn't have the same impact as one dropped over the top of Chicago.

Honestly, what is he supposed to do; not go back there?

I would think this great "man of the people" would recognize that his presence would have a significant (and not all positive) effect on the area he visits, and have his staff work with local officials (who granted, in this case are as corrupt as they come) to mitigate that impact. Unless of course, he's just another politician out for his own gain . . .

You're a former military pilot? . . .

LRvsH25B - I'm not former military, but I take exception to your comments and your attitiude. I also find you appearant diefication of Obama rather interesting given this quote from a different thread:

You should check your facts on the Obama plan and McCain as well. I think both of them are nitwits, but compared to what we have had the past few years, I expect either to be much better.

As someone else put it: We all get it, you're thrilled that Obama is in office now. Goody for you. Not everyone shares your enthusiasm - give it a rest.

. . . the In Your Face approach you take is not doing you any favors. Your fellow pilots would be more receptive to what you have to say if you found a more tactful way to get your point across.

I actually took the time to review some of your previous posts, as based on your comments in this thread I was ready to put you on my ignore list and suggest the moderators ban you. Obviously, I have tempered that opinion. You have some good thoughts to share, but when you start spewing this vitriolic garbage, it negates the positive.

 

[sleepy]

I was in MDW the other day. I asked the CSR at the FBO what they thought about the situation. They don't blame The President. He isn't doing anything that any other President before him didn't do, he just lives 8 miles from a busy airport in a big city. Reagan and Bush I didn't. Clinton had no home, Bush II lived in the middle of nowhere. The same for Carter.

They said the whole mess is the result of the Secret Service, and their requirements. The FBO will lose money. It is an aggravation for customers and tenants (the TSA screening process can take over an hour to depart MDW). Even Oprah had to change her flying schedule that weekend.

What can you do?

 

[eyeamthechosen1]

I would think this great "man of the people" would recognize that his presence would have a significant (and not all positive) effect on the area he visits, and have his staff work with local officials (who granted, in this case are as corrupt as they come) to mitigate that impact. Unless of course, he's just another politician out for his own gain . . .

You are missing the point because you are trying to make it a political matter. This has NOTHING to do with politics. You don't like him. That's your right but he has a home there. You would never ask any other president to do this

 

[Tristar]

Yes, I was being politically sarcastic - and I'm not an enthusiastic supporter. That aside, frankly I don't think he (or any other president) needs to go home on a "vacation" or whatever else you want to call it every month and a half. So actually, yes I would ask that of any other president.

They want the job - go to work and do it. I didn't agree with Bush going to Crawford all the time either - one big difference is (as I already said), there is very little impact to shutting down the airspace over Crawford, TX. There is a huge impact to doing the same thing over Chicago. I would expect him (or any other president) to recognize the impact their travels have, and where possible/appropriate attempt to mitigate that impact. For example, I would expect him not to shut down LAX for hours getting a haircut.

I'm not saying they should never visit home, but come on - it isn't like the wife and kids are still at home and dad's been overseas for six months or a year. I think they could stay on the job for at least six months before taking a "vacation" - there is Camp David if he wants a weekend away. Miss the folks at home? Send the 757 to MDW, load 'em up and take them to DCA for a weekend BBQ or whatever (and save the taxpayers $$$ in the process). Sorry, I think it's kind of like the old saw about a dog licking himself - he does it because he can (and again, I apply that across all party lines).

 

[deadstick]

Boss Daley always wanted his own, permanent TFR since Mickey and Minny got theirs. Now he's got a buddy in the DC...better REALLY watch what you wish for.

This was from a helo 135 operator in the area: in order to compete for the Olympics, he has to build a series of heliports around Chicago. All of that could have been avoided if Meigs was still around.

 

[Tristar]

Touche'.

I did concede in a previous post that there is probably no more corrupt municipal government in the United States than that of the Chicago (aka Daleygrad), in the PRI (Peoples Republic of Illinois).