Ny Tracon

[atcloser]

i'm an ATC at NY TRACON and am new around here, i've been reading some posts and this is a great site. i'd be interested in hearing from any JFK/FRG based pilots to chat about dealing with us ATC's (whether good or bad). looking forward to hearing from some of you.

 

[DenverDude2002]

atcloser,

If I'm not mistaken isnt that where the movie "Pushing Tin" was based? how close did the movie get to an actual portayal of what you guys really do?

I thought about doing ATC for a while but the stress would kill me.

 

[atcloser]

yes, 'pushing tin' was based at ny tracon, although the movie was actually filmed in canada somewhere. the set very slightly resembles the inside of the building, in reality its much darker, bigger, and more spread out. the did not do a great job representing life at N90 at all in my opinion, it was very hyped up and dramaticized.

 

[mike1mc]

i'd be interested in hearing from any JFK/FRG based pilots to chat about dealing with us ATC's (whether good or bad).

Based in CDW/TEB and fly out that way often. You guys do a terrific job everytime. Keep up the good work!!

 

[Cat Driver]

In 1968 duiring a lay over in NY, I took a tour of the Greater NY Radar facility at Kennedy.

I think it was in hangar 24.

Is it still there?

Cat Driver:

 

[Tripower455]

You guys do an OUTSTANDING job. I don't speak to you guys too often any more, but used to work for "redbird" out of JFK.

My Bro' in Law works NY Tracon. You probably know him. His initials are A.S.

Us WN guys REALLY appreciate the right turn off 24 at ISP.......

 

[empenage]

28 years in the NY area.

Good job NY.

 

[TOGA]

I'm a relative newbie with only about four years of 121 experience, a lot of it in the NY area. You guys are awesome! Please come to Cleveland & provide some training, they could use it.

 

[atcloser]

the tracon used to be in hanger 24 (or one of them) at JFK, it was called the COmmon IFR room. In 1981, months before the strike, it moved to Westbury, LI. It houses JFK, LGA, EWR, HPN, and ISP approach controls.

glad we can help all of you out there!

 

[Anne]

You guys have been awesome when I have flown my lowly single engine aircraft in either to land or transit the airspace. I thoroughly enjoy listening to someone who can talk faster than I can.

Thanks for a job well done.

So can we ask you ATC-related questions?

 

[atcloser]

sure ask any ATC questions, i'll do my best to answer them! anne, where do you fly?

 

[mar]

A question for ya

Welcome to flightinfo.

Maybe you can start with a question about the crossing restriction at ENO FL240 and abv.

It was originally asked on the thread called "Jepp Question".

 

[atcloser]

Mar,

I looked at the thread about the Korry2 arrival and the crossing restriction at ENO, and am really not sure. ENO is well out of N90 airspace, or better yet for any airspace I ever see. I do know that they redesigned some departure routes out of LGA a few years ago, and that could have something to do with it. Also, I am pretty sure that a lot of JFK departures via RBV are sometimes filed over ENO at some point...the entire area aroung RBV and ARD is pretty congested with N90 departure traffic in general. So basically, I dont know the answer, you might want to find someone at NY Center or Wash Center to answer that one...

 

[Anne]

ATC Loser (loser?),

You can find me in BED

OK, Here's a question for you. When I get an IFR clearance out of an uncontrolled field, I get told to enter controlled airspace on a heading. Class E for this airport starts at 700', so on my climbout I would need to turn from runway hdg to enter controlled airspace on the assigned hdg. But the take-off procedure calls for a climb on runway heading to 2600' for obstacles. I always have this worry at the back of my brain about clunking into something in my climb when I turn to the assigned heading. Since I am being vectored, is ATC assuming responsibility for obstacle clearance at 700'? What is the purpose of the take-off procedure of climbong to 2600'?

Did I ask that in such a way as to make sense? Should I confine my questions to NY airspace?

 

[Dizel8]

YOU GUYS ROCK!

Always a pleasure doing biz with NY!

 

[Blue Dude]

NY Approach kicks a$$. What else would you like to know?

 

[atcloser]

wow thanks for all your positive replies about NY approach, i will pass them along at work...we try real hard to make everyone happy even though we have no airspace to do anything!

 

[atcloser]

anne-

good question. ATC never assumes responsibilty for obstacle clearance, although we separate aircraft from 3 primary things: 1) each other 2) terrain 3) other controllers/sectors airspace. as far as terrain, that means we will not vector anyone (VFR/IFR) below the minimum vectoring altitude for a particular quadrant of airspace. thats our responsibility in the terminal approach environment as far as terrain. as far as any departure procedure or ATC assigned heading to enter controlled airspace, i would venture to say that you should hit the MSA (i am assuming that is what the 2600 number is) before turning to assigned ATC heading. of course, in my opinion, if you are in VFR conditions, that would be different. after trying to understand all the complexities of FAA Order 7110.65 (the ATC bible), I have come to the conclusion that many of the FAA's own rules are contradictory and unclear. what do pilots have to say about this???

 

[350DRIVER]

NY controllers are a pretty sharp group... I have never had a single bad experience with any of those guys, truly a professional group that has got there sh!t together. NY and LA controllers are probably the best I get to work with, cream of the crop in my opinion and always a pleasure to know these guys were placed in these busy areas due to the skills and abilities that they have.

3 5 0

 

[KingAirKiddo]

NY Tracon definitely rocks!

I also have to send "props" to the ORD controllers as well...both groups are top notch IMHO.

 

[00Dog]

after trying to understand all the complexities of FAA Order 7110.65 (the ATC bible), I have come to the conclusion that many of the FAA's own rules are contradictory and unclear. what do pilots have to say about this???

We completely understand. The FARs don't make any sense either.

 

[Anne]

That's where I see the contradiction. I am told to enter controlled airspace--at 700'--on an assigned heading, but if I climb to 2600 for obstacle avoidance, I am entering controlled airspace on the runway heading.

 

[j328driver]

I haven't worked in the NE much until the past 4 months. So far I'm very impressed with the NY ATC. It's amazing how much traffic you control and can still take time for a few quick questions/comments. Sure does get busy at times! Keep up the good work - it blows the doors off of many places in the country!