NY Times Article on NetJets

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Owners, Pilots, Management:

I think that a safety discussion is truly a moot point. Lets face it Shares, NJA, Flops, Avantair they all use the same service providers for training. They all use the same maintenance providers and have engine contracts from the same companies.

They all have FAA approved training programs that are nearly identical.

They all have similar aircraft that are being ridden hard and put away wet daily. It all comes down to customer service

Customer Service is not about the service when things are fine it is about how you handle the problems.

I flew fractional for nearly 8 years and I would scratch my head trying to figure out how this business model could ever been sustainable based on the waste of money and excess that I saw on a daily basis.

5 years ago i decided to get out to get on a seniority list. It has turned out to be a good decision ( for now )

 

[HazMat]

Jetmaster

what a complete joke. By the way Totally untrue. Stuff like this is just downright dumb that's all I will say.

 

[jetmaster727]

Jetmaster

what a complete joke. By the way Totally untrue. Stuff like this is just downright dumb that's all I will say.

well I heard it from the guy on the airplane, so you're saying he's lying or what?

 

[wacoflyr]

One of my pax recently told me this: took avantair into short wet strip because we wouldn't in the jet. Safety! They landed, slid sideways, and almost crashed off the end. Scared the crap out of all onboard who now refuse to fly them.

This would have gotten out, and I haven't heard about it. I don't believe it. If it is true, then I guess I have no problem with you posting it. But if as I believe this is false, then that makes you a bit of a dirtbag, doesn't it?

 

[ArtVandalay]

It blows my mind that you guys actually believe that this "netjetowner" and "avantairowner" are really owners. LMAO.

 

[HazMat]

Art I have said this many times I know who Avantairowner is as do many of us here at Avantair. He has told us he posted here. He has become a big supporter of Avantair and referred many new owners. We are very, very thankful to have him as an owner.

 

[jonjuan]

It blows my mind that you guys actually believe that this "netjetowner" and "avantairowner" are really owners. LMAO.

No really-as he posted above, "most of the pilots at avantair know who he is.". Dude, it's on the internets, so it must be true. They are very lucky to have him posting his "unbiased, expert opinion" on FI.
Your turn, Art, to pony up the 10 clams and create "flexjetowner.". Then you, I mean he, can tell everyone how he discovered the best program and service in the industry after he and dozens of his buds left nja. Maybe he could be married to "flexjetwife.". Lololol.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

It blows my mind that you guys actually believe that this "netjetowner" and "avantairowner" are really owners. LMAO.

netjetowner is who he says he is.

 

[jetmaster727]

This would have gotten out, and I haven't heard about it. I don't believe it. If it is true, then I guess I have no problem with you posting it. But if as I believe this is false, then that makes you a bit of a dirtbag, doesn't it?

Look sonny, I don't post false info. It was told to me by the lead pax. Why are you so sensitive to the truth?

 

[hammer2]

I wish Flexjet had jellybeans.

 

[HazMat]

Jetmaster it is totally fabricated and dumb. If it were true (and it isn't) that an airplane skidded on a wet runway and you try to act like the pilots made a bad decision you are a huge dirtbag, dont you think? By the way I heard from the lead pax on one of my flights that you are a massive dirtbag i am sticking to huge though and my uncles, girlfriends, brothers, father said I am really cool

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Jetmaster it is totally fabricated and dumb. If it were true (and it isn't) that an airplane skidded on a wet runway and you try to act like the pilots made a bad decision you are a huge dirtbag, dont you think? By the way I heard from the lead pax on one of my flights that you are a massive dirtbag i am sticking to huge though and my uncles, girlfriends, brothers, father said I am really cool

All the ladies tell me I'm well endowed.

 

[hangarrat]

All the ladies tell me I'm well endowed.

Now that made me laugh! :laugh:

 

[ozpilot]

netjetowner is who he says he is.

Ditto

 

[jetmaster727]

Jetmaster it is totally fabricated and dumb. If it were true (and it isn't) that an airplane skidded on a wet runway and you try to act like the pilots made a bad decision you are a huge dirtbag, dont you think? By the way I heard from the lead pax on one of my flights that you are a massive dirtbag i am sticking to huge though and my uncles, girlfriends, brothers, father said I am really cool

It's not cool to resort to low level name calling just because you don't like the facts. It kind of makes you a dou**ebag. But hey, what do I know.

 

[wacoflyr]

But hey, what do I know.

Not very much. The p180 has two five bladed 85" props in the back. On landing, with just a little bit of reverse, the props act like drag chutes. We stop much, much shorter than we can possibly take off. With just a little effort, we can turn off the midfield taxiway of a four thousand foot strip. Now it could be your passengers were just bull********************ting you. But you, as a pilot, should know better.

 

[sshrae]

Not very much. The p180 has two five bladed 85" props in the back. On landing, with just a little bit of reverse, the props act like drag chutes. We stop much, much shorter than we can possibly take off. With just a little effort, we can turn off the midfield taxiway of a four thousand foot strip. Now it could be your passengers were just bull********************ting you. But you, as a pilot, should know better.

Wow, you can land shorter than you can take off? Thats awesome. The props act like drag chutes? Intense.

 

[jetmaster727]

Not very much. The p180 has two five bladed 85" props in the back. On landing, with just a little bit of reverse, the props act like drag chutes. We stop much, much shorter than we can possibly take off. With just a little effort, we can turn off the midfield taxiway of a four thousand foot strip. Now it could be your passengers were just bull********************ting you. But you, as a pilot, should know better.

Wow, if only I'd realized that I was talking with the ace of the base

 

[wacoflyr]

Wow, if only I'd realized that I was talking with the ace of the base

Oh, my bad. Joke's on me. I should not have tried to reason with some twerp spinning a tale about his competitors. I should have known you were trying to look big. Try honesty next time. Trite, I know, but you'll sleep better.

 

[jetmaster727]

Oh, my bad. Joke's on me. I should not have tried to reason with some twerp spinning a tale about his competitors. I should have known you were trying to look big. Try honesty next time. Trite, I know, but you'll sleep better.

Gotta hand it to you man. You're really impressed with yourself and that weedwacker you fly.