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samballs

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So much less trouble if they would have just said, "we fell asleep".
 

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This sounds so much more reasonable than all the previous comments/jokes/speculation/ridicule. I am glad I withheld making any conclusions before. Still not great work, but somewhat understandable.

Mistakes will never happen once the HAL 9000 comes online to replace us fallible humanoids. Until then...
 

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This sounds so much more reasonable than all the previous comments/jokes/speculation/ridicule...

Are you kidding? I'm even more bewildered after reading that. Using a 100 knot tailwind as an excuse? Only being on their laptops for a few minutes, yet flying 150 miles past their destination and probably 250 miles past their TOD before turning? With the company sending them 8 ACARS messages? Listening to Winnipeg center flying flying across the Midwest and not thinking anything of it? Hmm.
 

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Yes they were extremely distracted but I have been in a simular situation seeing LAS coming up and we are still at altititude of 330. I am flying with the chief pilot for our airline and we missed a frequency change. Frantically searching for a frequency we finally get on the right one and descend and land. It was a very long downwind. I guess we were talking when they handed us off or they forgot to hand us off. It was a non event. Hopefully these guys will get everything back because the FAA over reacted at ATL FAA.
 

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Yes they were extremely distracted but I have been in a simular situation seeing LAS coming up and we are still at altititude of 330. I am flying with the chief pilot for our airline and we missed a frequency change. Frantically searching for a frequency we finally get on the right one and descend and land. It was a very long downwind. I guess we were talking when they handed us off or they forgot to hand us off. It was a non event. Hopefully these guys will get everything back because the FAA over reacted at ATL FAA.

That is what you get for flying with a chief pilot... Should have called in sick-didn't you get THAT memo?
 

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While I usually don't trust 'my friend said' emails, the transcripts at least fit the initial description of what happened. NW188 did acknowledge the handoff, but never checked in on the new freq. Misdialing the freq would explain that.

Still, how do you get that engrossed in something to loose that much SA?
 

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While I usually don't trust 'my friend said' emails, the transcripts at least fit the initial description of what happened. NW188 did acknowledge the handoff, but never checked in on the new freq. Misdialing the freq would explain that.

Still, how do you get that engrossed in something to loose that much SA?
By sleeping, end of story.
 

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thanks for the laugh!

talk about an email plugging holes. get real. this is whats called a narrative fallacy. selecting certain facts together to tell and support a particular story. horse hockey. its conspiravcy theory in reverse. look at it that way.

why the big secret on missing the freq. - they never stated that to them after multple ATC queries. if it were as innocent as that, why not fess up. no biggie. it happens. but to withholdand finally say compnay policy sounds rediculous. and how do you monitor the canook freq. for hours without realizing you misdialed.
 

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If this is indeed what happened, why not tell tell the controllers instead of "we had a distraction".
 

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When I had to evac, my first call was to ALPA. And I did everything properly. Why would he say anything while still in the air? That is a better question than: Why didn't he tell the controller over a recorded, monitored freq that he screwed up?
 

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Interesting, totally plausible story. The lesson I see here is anything can happen to anyone. Yes they made a mistake and screwed up. But in the course of our careers we all make lot's and lot's of mistakes, every one of us. The key is being aware of that and staying vigilant, rather than going around pointing fingers like they are some kind of idiot and that could never happen to me.
And saying they were asleep???? Hello, ever hear of cockpit voice recorders? Geez.
Little word of advice to anyone that thinks lying your way out of a situation works. It doesn't and 9 times out of 10 it will backfire. From what I've seen,even with the FAA, if you admit you screwed up you are way better off than if you don't and try and lie your way out of a situation.
 

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Interesting, totally plausible story.

Totally plausible? Seriously?

The FO dorks up a frequency, never gets a response, so he never calls back? They don't pay attention to the Center frequency and realize it's the wrong one? They're on laptops for 7 minutes, the CA eats, and yet they go another full hour without talking to anyone, bothering to look where they are, or to notice the ACARS message light come on 8 separate times?

Oh, but they had a 100-knot tailwind. Well gee, that clears up everything.
 

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If I were the FAA I'd withold their certificates until they could demonstrate a frequency change without saying 'with you'.
 

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This email, while prob has elements of the truth.... 12 minutes total on laptops?

It takes 5 minutes to start anything that says microsoft on it up.

I still think they were bitching on their laptops about the newly implemented delta PBS (which isn't half bad, just not what they were used to) and trying to show the other how to use it. That can easily eat up a bunch of time and take up much of one's attention span.

Plus 12 minutes.... 100 kts of tailwind.... thats like 100 miles. Thats not from denver to msp.

Behold embellishment of an email....
 
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