NWA to sell it's cargo unit?? Rumor on Yahoo Finance message board

[General Lee]

So, any chance this could be true? Someone on the Yahoo Finance NWA message board claims they saw the memo. Why would we keep it? Yes, the route authority and slots are valuable, and maybe could be transferred to the 787s when they come(whenever that is.....). The 742s are gas guzzlers and even UPS is ditching theirs.

If this is true, are there any other surprises NWA wants to pop on us? Let me guess, could it be about the DC9s? Just a guess there....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[propdog]

I fly NWA cargo and no...I have not received the 'memo' yet.

 

[General Lee]

Here is the post on Yahoo Finance---NWA message board

Report-NWA to sale Cargo Unit 21-Feb-08 10:32 am
Just read an internal memo that NWA/DAL will be selling the Cargo Unit and shutting down there ANC Pilot Base.





Yes, they can't spell "their" correctly, but it brings up a good question, what does that do to those senior pilots up THERE in ANC? What else could be shut down or parked? What happens to career expectations to those pilots that could be affected, and also DC9 pilots when there is no actual replacement for that fleet yet?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I fly NWA cargo and no...I have not received the 'memo' yet.

You might want to call your chief pilot in ANC and ask.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Schwanker]

Someone on the Yahoo Finance NWA message board claims they saw the memo.

Wow, there's a good source!!

 

[propdog]

Report-NWA to sale Cargo Unit 21-Feb-08 10:32 am
Just read an internal memo that NWA/DAL will be selling the Cargo Unit and shutting down there ANC Pilot Base.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I didn't get the memo that we merged either...

 

[General Lee]

I didn't get the memo that we merged either...

I'm kinda hoping that we don't now. If we do not, and NWA actually sells that cargo unit (the planes are on the way out and you lost your largest customer DHL), then you may wish we did merge. I hope our respective MECs are looking into this rumor too. I stated initially that this was a rumor and gave the source.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[IXLR8]

You might want to call your chief pilot in ANC and ask.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe you should call..you probably have the number...then we would all have it from a "reliable" source.

 

[General Lee]

Wow, there's a good source!!

You have the ability to look at it too if you want. People on that board also bring up the fact that there was a 38 page power point presentation about a possible merger with DL/NWA, and the benefits, but the Cargo operation was never mentioned, at all. Could you tell me why that would be the case? How about who may replace DHL as the largest customer of NWA Cargo, and what will replace the 742s, as every one of your cargo competitiors are replacing their own 742s? What is your take? Also, what would you do with those cargo pilots if the unit was sold?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I'm sure the Delta MEC is really looking into this, since they haven't merged yet. I'm not employed by either party, but why does the Delta MEC need to know?

 

[General Lee]

I'm sure the Delta MEC is really looking into this, since they haven't merged yet. I'm not employed by either party, but why does the Delta MEC need to know?

Are you serious? The NWA negotiators want the bottom 3000 pilots to be ALL DELTA pilots. If they park planes, or will park planes, don't you think our guys would want to know that? NWA could bring 13 old 742s to the table, along with 90 older DC9s, and some 787s someday when Boeing sticks to a deadline. (18 firm orders) So, they bring 18 for sure, and may lose 13 742s and up to 90 DC9s (30 for sure will be parked this year--the dash 30s). Wouldn't we want to know what we are dealing with? That is prudent.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Maybe you should call..you probably have the number...then we would all have it from a "reliable" source.

Hey, I posted the rumor as a rumor in the title. I am not a NWA pilot, and it would be nice to get some real answers here. I think our MEC is looking into that now, and the NWA guys need to start asking some real questions and bring themselves back to reality. Yeah, they are bringing a lot of future retirements, of both old pilots AND old planes. If they don't leave at the same time, that means furloughs, and that aint fair jethro.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[propdog]

Are you serious? The NWA negotiators want the bottom 3000 pilots to be ALL DELTA pilots. If they park planes, or will park planes, don't you think our guys would want to know that? NWA could bring 13 old 742s to the table, along with 90 older DC9s, and some 787s someday when Boeing sticks to a deadline. (18 firm orders) So, they bring 18 for sure, and may lose 13 742s and up to 90 DC9s (30 for sure will be parked this year--the dash 30s). Wouldn't we want to know what we are dealing with? That is prudent.

Bye Bye--General Lee

That is total BS...NWA negotiators did not ask for that...not even close..don't trust everything you hear.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There is a lot of movement going on behind the scenes. I am sure that it will get interesting in the next few days. I would be very surprised if the companies do not announce by the end of this week. With or with out the pilots. Heck maybe they will all walk aways, but if they do who are we going to have to deal with next. NWA provides the least exposure to massive furloughs due to the fact that there is minimal overlap.
Be careful what you wish for. I think that they are dead set on merging. If it is not with NWA then if will be someone else less desirable. Do you really think that UAL is a better fit when it comes to the pilots and job protection?

 

[Superpilot92]

That is total BS...NWA negotiators did not ask for that...not even close..don't trust everything you hear.

The General heard it from a "reliable" source. AKA the newspaper. General why dont you wait and see what the MEC tells you instead of being a drama queen about everything you hear/read? The media wants nothing but to stir the pot and you took it hook line and sinker.

 

[General Lee]

The General heard it from a "reliable" source. AKA the newspaper. General why dont you wait and see what the MEC tells you instead of being a drama queen about everything you hear/read? The media wants nothing but to stir the pot and you took it hook line and sinker.

Well, since the MECs are being quiet at the moment, then the papers are all we have to go on. Does it mean it is all true? No. But I bet it could be close.

And, you really should be interested in the cargo ops closing. Call your newhire coordinator and ask him for rumors. Come on now....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

Well, since the MECs are being quiet at the moment, then the papers are all we have to go on. Does it mean it is all true? No. But I bet it could be close.

And, you really should be interested in the cargo ops closing. Call your newhire coordinator and ask him for rumors. Come on now....


Bye Bye--General Lee

I already know whats going on with the cargo ops. They are understaffed and newhires are going straight to block holders on the panel in ANC. It is not closing, at least not any time soon. I however will not be going to ANC

 

[General Lee]

I already know whats going on with the cargo ops. They are understaffed and newhires are going straight to block holders on the panel in ANC. It is not closing, at least not any time soon. I however will not be going to ANC

Well good for you. Instead of attacking me, why don't you seek the truth via your chain of command? I can't do that. Also, why wouldn't the cargo ops be a part of a 38 page power point presentation made by DL/NWA showing why they should merge? It was never mentioned, at all supposedly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Supposedly? So you haven't seen the presentation. Perhaps the presentation only addressed the passenger route structure? It's entirely possibly. Can you go up your chain of command to see view the document?

 

[Superpilot92]

Well good for you. Instead of attacking me, why don't you seek the truth via your chain of command? I can't do that. Also, why wouldn't the cargo ops be a part of a 38 page power point presentation made by DL/NWA showing why they should merge? It was never mentioned, at all supposedly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Attacked you?? :laugh: I did no such thing. I said dont be a drama queen about something as unofficial as some BS newspaper. You have been around a while you of all people should know better. Just like you i am watching everything thats going on but neither one of us will know the "truth" until the MEC lets us know. In the mean time Cheers :beer:

 

[bravodude]

Attacked you?? :laugh: I did no such thing. I said dont be a drama queen about something as unofficial as some BS newspaper. You have been around a while you of all people should know better. Just like you i am watching everything thats going on but neither one of us will know the "truth" until the MEC lets us know. In the mean time Cheers :beer:

This the type of pilot group you guys are going to be dealing with. Good Luck!

 

[propdog]

Press!!

Talking about press reporting stuff way off track, I just saw an article from the Kentucky Post....here is the link and the excerpt.

http://www.kypost.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3df8fa6a-392e-4305-82c0-f41fd269d220

"The boards of Delta Air Lines and Northwest had been expected to vote Wednesday on a merger, but now it's not clear if the boards have even met.

Someone familiar with the negotiations said a merger deal will not be announced on Thursday as had been hoped.

That person said a deal could be announced at the beginning of next week, presuming everything falls into place by then.

The snag involves a seniority issue still being sorted out between Northwest pilots and pilots involved in the Republic Airlines merger from 1986."

 

[Schwanker]

Well good for you. Instead of attacking me, why don't you seek the truth via your chain of command? I can't do that. Also, why wouldn't the cargo ops be a part of a 38 page power point presentation made by DL/NWA showing why they should merge? It was never mentioned, at all supposedly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I just looked at the analysis. Actually, it's 89 pages. It does include the Cargo fleet and line items for Cargo revenue. Sorry to disappoint. I guess ALPA was forced to take it off the site due to some competitive info. I managed to download the PDF file.

Schwanker

 

[General Lee]

I just looked at the analysis. Actually, it's 89 pages. It does include the Cargo fleet and line items for Cargo revenue. Sorry to disappoint. I guess ALPA was forced to take it off the site due to some competitive info. I managed to download the PDF file.

Schwanker

No need to disappoint, I just wanted to know if the rumor was true. It was absolutely plausible thanks to old 742s flying the routes, and your largest customer (DHL) ditching you. It may still become true, and we would like to know about something like that before anything happens. I hope the MECs look into this, for all of our sakes. Thanks for looking it up.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Talking about press reporting stuff way off track, I just saw an article from the Kentucky Post....here is the link and the excerpt.

http://www.kypost.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3df8fa6a-392e-4305-82c0-f41fd269d220

"The boards of Delta Air Lines and Northwest had been expected to vote Wednesday on a merger, but now it's not clear if the boards have even met.

Someone familiar with the negotiations said a merger deal will not be announced on Thursday as had been hoped.

That person said a deal could be announced at the beginning of next week, presuming everything falls into place by then.

The snag involves a seniority issue still being sorted out between Northwest pilots and pilots involved in the Republic Airlines merger from 1986."

Apparently there are still grievences being worked on about that debacle. See, this is a reason to move slowly and make sure we do things right. Career expectations should be looked at closely.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Diesel-9]

Any talk of the freighter replacement in here? Merger stuff put things on hold I bet. Talk is of 744F and A-330F mix. You couldn't imagine DAL 767LR a/c flying frieght out of DTW and CVG could you?

 

[clippyrip]

Are you serious? The NWA negotiators want the bottom 3000 pilots to be ALL DELTA pilots. If they park planes, or will park planes, don't you think our guys would want to know that? NWA could bring 13 old 742s to the table, along with 90 older DC9s, and some 787s someday when Boeing sticks to a deadline. (18 firm orders) So, they bring 18 for sure, and may lose 13 742s and up to 90 DC9s (30 for sure will be parked this year--the dash 30s). Wouldn't we want to know what we are dealing with? That is prudent.

General,

Take a chill pill and quit blowing things out of proportion. There is nothing we can do to change the outcome and your constant moaning about how terrible you think NWA is has become tiresome. I have heard you jock yourself about how you are in the top 20% at delta. If that is the case then seniority integration will treat you just fine. Also, you know full well nobody here asked for 3000 delta pilots to be stapled so STFU about that already. Chill out, sit back and see.

 

[clippyrip]

To get back onto the thread. The rumor around the school house is that DHL was unable to get what they wanted from other freight operations and that they are back in negotiations with NWA to renew the contract. Also, Richard Anderson never cut the freight operations under his reign at NWA and if the merger goes through, it still has a viable future. Especially if the DHL contact is back in house. I would not write cargo off just yet.

 

[General Lee]

General,

Take a chill pill and quit blowing things out of proportion. There is nothing we can do to change the outcome and your constant moaning about how terrible you think NWA is has become tiresome. I have heard you jock yourself about how you are in the top 20% at delta. If that is the case then seniority integration will treat you just fine. Also, you know full well nobody here asked for 3000 delta pilots to be stapled so STFU about that already. Chill out, sit back and see.

Whatever jacka$$. If I want to question some things that could happen, I will do it. There is a very good chance the cargo section will go away now that your best customer DHL is gone.(have you read about DHL and their own downsizing? They are a distant third in the US, and that may affect your own renegotiations with them) And, to top it off, NWA Cargo has very old planes that are going away at almost every other Pacific Rim Cargo carrier. Should I question on an open forum what may or may not happen? I shouldn't? Is Liz Fedor lying about what she printed in her article? I suggest you call her and tell her to STFU.

And top 20%? Huh? I said I would be in the top 20 pilots when I retire in 22 years. Big difference. Do you need glasses?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[filejw]

BTW this NWA cargo rumor has been around for about 2 years at least.