NWA TA ratified

[cessnapilot]

Actually, if it had been voted down, would have seen more furloughs with the company imposing their Feb proposal on work rules etc., and a chance of targeted D.C. going more senior. Will see an even more number of retirements now than has been occuring. Hopefully we won't have to utilize all the protection language in the near future.

You don't know that... and I think that you're dead wrong... my thoughts...
They couldn't impose something if we didn't go to work without a contract.

 

[Uppercrust]

Uppercrust how about ex union pilots who had their companies go out of business, then collected tax money in the form on unemployment compensation. Don't we get any credit for where the country is? BTW Capt Mark it is not past my bed time however I don't stay up all night like you.

Those union pilots should be thanking CaptMark for feeding their families in such trying times. And guess what... they are probably back at work thanks to the job fairs/programs run by AirInc in connection with ALPA. Air Inc has placed thousands pilots with jobs in just the past year and make no mistake, ALPA and Kit worked equally hard in this worthy endeavor! We owe them all a lot.

 

[3BCat]

You anti-union guys really don't have a clue. If it wasn't for guys like Capt Mark busting there butts this country would be no where. Capt Mark pays more taxes on his golf houses and 250K a year than all of us combined. And yeah, that salary is around because of the hard work and determination of a union. I for one am proud to have unions and to have CaptMark be a leader in our country!! His dedication and sacrifices know no limits.

UC, what's the difference between an a$$ kisser, and a brown nose? (You've got something right there on your lip...)

 

[Uppercrust]

UC, what's the difference between an a$$ kisser, and a brown nose? (You've got something right there on your lip...)

No brownnosing from me. It comes............from.......the......heart!

 

[CaptainMark]

This thread has gone haywire..my apologies..BTW...back to NWA...a couple buds at NWA are trying to get meet and greets at FDX...9 yrs with NWA...nice job NWA management...you suck!...and i hope Fred lives to be 200...

 

[D'Angelo]

you have said this a number of times...so if your captain taxis off the taxiway in some bad wx and the company fires both of you...who u gonna call?..al sharpton?....i don't think so!...if some passenger says they smelled alcohol on your breath and the company fires u...who you gonna call?..pilotyip?...i don't think so...these things have happened in the past and will continue to happen...unions might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread but they do serve a purpose!!!! and by the way...all that $$$$ in my B-fund says they serve a purpose...fdx wasn't just gonna give us the money!..still an idiot! ....and pilotyip go back to the cargo board and rave about paying your F/Os 25/hr ...

i bet he will not answer the questions?????????

Well $hit does happen at airlines. People make mistakes. If an airline fired everyone for making a mistake they would run out of pilots. The key is being honest. I believe if your honest with your chief pilot that you screwed up it will end up being a non issue. Maybe some remedial training but you wont get fired. If you get fired because someone smells your breath without being given a breathilizer you can file a law suit. If a passenger says they smell booze on your breath the first thing you do is order a breathilizer. If you pass then its a non issue. If you fail then there is nothing the union can do to save your job anyway. Flying cargo however you wont have to worry about that. Unless some how boxes can smell breath. Even if you have a union the company can find a reason to fire you. The airline world is heavily regulated by the FAA. They will back a pilot up for safety issues. Unions absolutely have done many good things however they are no longer needed in the 21st century. Nostalgia is nice and all but it doesnt take you toward the future.

 

[CaptainMark]

Being honest..you need to do some research and look at the stuff pilots were fired for....here at Fedex they fired a guy for not getting on a jumpseat during a typhoon..they fired numerous guys for taxiing to slow...they fired guys for removing horsehandlers from the aircraft because they did not have the proper paperwork...the UNION got their jobs back...no union..no job at FDX!...look i don't think unions are the greatest thing in the world or anything but they do serve a purpose(which u said they serve none)...


oh yeah..the guy that did not get on the jumpseat was an anti-alpa non-member...once alpa got his job back he joined and wrote a letter to all non-members telling them they are fools for not joining...and without FDX ALPA we would not have our disability plan which almost makes us whole in the event of a career ending disability...don't think it can't happen to you..my bud went out at 36 with MS and is done...but he was making 100k then and now with the plan under the union he gets about 90k/yr..unmatched in this industry...security for the work done to achieve this profession

 

[Diesel]

So I am a pilot with comair that dislikes unions. So what??? Does everyone have to be the same. HOLD THE LINE, YOU HAVE BAL*S, GIVE EM HELL, RAISE THE BAR. Enough of that crap that stuff makes me wanna puke! Unions had their purpose back in the day however they no longer serve a valid purpose.

Hey Dangelo. I notice you don't spread that crap on the fractional board. Yeah its pretty tough that myself along with MY union got a 60 percent raise, a 40k signing bonus, awsome work rules, awsome scope, fly from home, awsome medical, dental, loss of liscence, yada yada yada

Keep being a troll.

By the way I found your website www.gangstafag.info plus your myspace www.myspace.com/ganstafag

and the links actually work

 

[Uppercrust]

[QUOTE]Being honest..you need to do some research and look at the stuff pilots were fired for....here at Fedex they fired a guy for not getting on a jumpseat during a typhoon..they fired numerous guys for taxiing to slow...they fired guys for removing horsehandlers from the aircraft because they did not have the proper paperwork...

What was SWA/FO's family doing on there?? Or maybe it was the Webb's???:laugh:

 

[D'Angelo]

Being honest..you need to do some research and look at the stuff pilots were fired for....here at Fedex they fired a guy for not getting on a jumpseat during a typhoon..they fired numerous guys for taxiing to slow...they fired guys for removing horsehandlers from the aircraft because they did not have the proper paperwork...the UNION got their jobs back...no union..no job at FDX!...look i don't think unions are the greatest thing in the world or anything but they do serve a purpose(which u said they serve none)...


oh yeah..the guy that did not get on the jumpseat was an anti-alpa non-member...once alpa got his job back he joined and wrote a letter to all non-members telling them they are fools for not joining...and without FDX ALPA we would not have our disability plan which almost makes us whole in the event of a career ending disability...don't think it can't happen to you..my bud went out at 36 with MS and is done...but he was making 100k then and now with the plan under the union he gets about 90k/yr..unmatched in this industry...security for the work done to achieve this profession

Pilots tend to exaggurate circumstances. I highly doubt someone got fired for soley taxiing too slow. The FARs demand slow taxiing. The FAA could help out on that one. Plus we don't truly know all the circumstances of these events. Pilots definately have a tendancy to take things and blow them out into these extreme hardships. This is evidenced on this board. Pilots try to make you believe they all qualify for food stamps where in reality only some first year F/Os really do. If your union is so great why the forced unionism? Why do they force us to be a member or at least pay maintenance fees? If they were so secure they would open it up so you could be a member if you want or not be a member but pay no dues. Also if they were so secure why not bring it up for vote every four years. Straight up vote regarding if you want to keep the union or not.

 

[Diesel]

hmmm it seems that gangstafag is avoiding my question..... hmmmmm

Looks like he picks and chooses his fights.

 

[CaptainMark]

any fedex guy can verify my truths who were here when these things took place...and if you want to enjoy your B-fund at Fdx then u better be a member.. again your facts are WRONG...u don't have to pay mx fees at FDX if u are not a member..TN is a right to work state...i am done discussing this with you because you continue to show your ignorance...u have no facts and no clue...

 

[D'Angelo]

Hey Dangelo. I notice you don't spread that crap on the fractional board. Yeah its pretty tough that myself along with MY union got a 60 percent raise, a 40k signing bonus, awsome work rules, awsome scope, fly from home, awsome medical, dental, loss of liscence, yada yada yada

Keep being a troll.

By the way I found your website www.gangstafag.info plus your myspace www.myspace.com/ganstafag

and the links actually work

Hey good for you. Fractionals are a different world. You can still negoiate all that either without a union or using arbitration. The days of unions holding everyone hostage are slowly coming to an end.

 

[D'Angelo]

any fedex guy can verify my truths who were here when these things took place...and if you want to enjoy your B-fund at Fdx then u better be a member.. again your facts are WRONG...u don't have to pay mx fees at FDX if u are not a member..TN is a right to work state...i am done discussing this with you because you continue to show your ignorance...u have no facts and no clue...

It doesnt matter if your a right to work state. The unions under the RLA are a totally different animal. They can still charge mx. fees and they still can terminate if you dont pay up.

 

[737 Pylt]

Well $hit does happen at airlines. People make mistakes. If an airline fired everyone for making a mistake they would run out of pilots. The key is being honest. I believe if your honest with your chief pilot that you screwed up it will end up being a non issue.

That statement right there shows you have ZERO credibility, and are totally clueless when it comes to this industry!

Maybe some remedial training but you wont get fired. If you get fired because someone smells your breath without being given a breathilizer you can file a law suit. If a passenger says they smell booze on your breath the first thing you do is order a breathilizer. If you pass then its a non issue. If you fail then there is nothing the union can do to save your job anyway. Flying cargo however you wont have to worry about that. Unless some how boxes can smell breath. Even if you have a union the company can find a reason to fire you. The airline world is heavily regulated by the FAA. They will back a pilot up for safety issues. Unions absolutely have done many good things however they are no longer needed in the 21st century. Nostalgia is nice and all but it doesnt take you toward the future.

Again, you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Now get back to flight attendant training......How's that going....You gonna be taking over when the CMR f/a's walk??? How's that decertification goin?? How about your crusade to take further paycuts to help out management???
737

 

[D'Angelo]

That statement right there shows you have ZERO credibility, and are totally clueless when it comes to this industry!


Again, you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. Now get back to flight attendant training......How's that going....You gonna be taking over when the CMR f/a's walk??? How's that decertification goin?? How about your crusade to take further paycuts to help out management???
737

Oh i see. They are all out to get us arent we. Management is always watching waiting to fire anyone for sneezing wrong. Sounds a bit paranoid to me. Lets hear a story about someone getting fired because they smelled like alcohol and were not allowed to take a breathilizer to prove themselves. Again paranoid union they are all out to get you thinking. Tell me this why doesnt Jet Blue just fire everyone at a whim after 5 years. They are doing just fine without a union. Decertification is going slow but sure. Im just a line pilot sir never done FA training. You never answered my question about arbitration. why are you so scared of it. Youd rather stomp your feet like a baby and strike because you dont get what you want it sounds like. So lets hear it arbitration why dont you want it?

 

[CaptainMark]

here you idiot..
http://www.eeoc.gov/press/7-17-03a.html

 

[imacdog]

fly from home,

Not for new hires. So much for everyone at the company being equals.

 

[pilotyip]

Thread Hi-jack Alert, Hijack Alert!

OK back to the start of this thread, I fly warbirds with a number of NWA senior Captains, they are all very happy the TA was accepted. Do they like it NO, but they did not see many other options. And 50+ years old pilots do not have the option of getting hired a FedEx. Not to say FedEx fits this profile, but there were FedEx pilots going to DAL and UAL in the late 90's, there were North Central pilots going to Eastern in the 70's and pilots leaving FedEx for Braniff in the 1978. Making a move sometimes comes back to haunt you.

 

[pilotyip]

Capt Mark that is really neat, I am impressed with your ability to build a link on the internet. Must be all those Airbus programming skills being to use outside of the ccokpit.

 

[CaptainMark]

Capt Mark that is really neat, I am impressed with your ability to build a link on the internet. Must be all those Airbus programming skills being to use outside of the ccokpit.

Not sure what a ccokpit is...must be a typo..and at your age you are forgiven...i have lots of abilities...and i can program with the best of them...so u let the young kids fly the glass and u stick to your jurassic jets...now get to your saturday AARP meeting!

 

[Diesel]

imac- Then don't come here. We fought as hard as the pilot group would allow at the time. Eventually we knew that we were going to have to give up something major to keep everybody on FFH. So thats why there is a clause that after x amount of pilots get hired they can get FFH. Besides the company backed themselves in a corner once again. They didn't observe history.

Gangstafag- Who do you think got a industry leading package? Unionized pilots thats who. The day after we voted our contract CS matched our pay, (but not our workrules), flex got raises too. You see our union (which is the pilot group) is able to speak with one voice and say enough is enough. Or live by the contract.

But i enjoy how you skirt around the issue. How are the fractionals different. our company alone has over 480planes. 2500 unionized pilots plus another 500 from the other sides. Keep telling yourself that you have a voice. Yet when mgmt sees you they laugh and say he's just a number, a 1 percenter screwing 99 percent of his buddies.

good luck with that.

 

[pilotyip]

Geewize Capt. Mark, if I can not sppel there is no chance I could program something as big, I mean really big like an Airbus. I guess I will just stick to flying a MAN's airplane. One where you actually feel the air on the control surfaces and fly by a sense of touch. None of this sissy fly by wire, program and watch. BTW do you have voice activated commands yet so you don't actually have to touch the airplane? Quit hi-jacking the thread

 

[mdf]

It's also interesting to note that the actual value of the TA puts NWA operating costs lower than that of SWA. NWA now has a disposable fleet in the DC-9 and the ability to shed debt onto compass airlines. Unless SWA pilots take a paycut they will no longer be a competitive airline.

With all due respect, I don't think that's anything to brag about.

 

[j50]

pilotyip--got your question- sent a reply.

 

[Diesel]

What gangstafag you've got nothing else? common lets see that union bashing at its finest.

Of course as soon as you get in trouble I'll bet you'll be the first one to run to the union.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I assure you no union can protect you from that type of garbage talk.

What, like calling me a honkey? I love that word, I call my kids "little honkeys" sometimes, they love it too.

Can we all call you "Brown Sugar Pilot"? After all, you are black, and you call yourself D'Angelo who calls himself Brown Sugar. I think it would be an appropriate honor for you since you like to stir the sh#t (which is also brown) here on flightinfo.

You could have business cards made that said.


First Officer ______________
AKA The RJ "Brown Sugar Pilot"
Let me tell ya about chicken grease


How cool would that be....

 

[xjhawk]

wow i agree with this guy, i never agree with this guy!

Our airline is losing money and we can still negotiate, your airline is making money hand over fist and you guys can't negotiate. Don't blame mainline pilots for saving their jobs, the airline had to cut costs to that of SWA, and that's exactly what they did. When the next low cost airline comes in we will cut our pay to their level. Welcome to the era of deregulation, eventually we will be making nothing. As far as I see this contract is a victory, since it holds onto the past a little longer.

We have an career where thousands of people will do our job for below mcdonalds wages. Low ball airlines can start up and force prices down and then disappear leaving damage that takes decades to repair. The industry is dominated by oil and the market. We have technology that removes human function from the pilots, you name it. This is a dying profession and pilots are literally working overtime to drive it there. Why? because that's just the way it is. Everbody does it in every career there is, some professionals have taken steps to stop it. Pilots have not done a dang thing to control this profession in any way shape or form, half of the pilot group out there shouldn't even be there.

For god sakes look at Mesaba, that company was making profits before bankruptcy, during bankruptcy, and will make money after bankruptcy. It's not going anywhere but up for them and you guys are negotiating concessions. Then you have the audacity to say the mainline people threw you under the bus. It's hard to throw you guys under the bus when you laid down in the middle of the road. Start realizing that you will get nothing from mainline pilots, they don't even want you in their jumpseat. Wake up guys!

yeah...at mesaba, i beleive since our unioon told us the min cut we will take is 6 percent since thats what they offered to the company, i beleive we are screwed from the get go.....and as for NWA and their new Compass, i beelive they will be lost within three years to a sell off!

 

[CaptainMark]

BTW Capt Mark it is not past my bed time however I don't stay up all night like you.

Sure you do...when u get up 8 times to go to the bathroom!!!!

 

[D'Angelo]

here you idiot..
http://www.eeoc.gov/press/7-17-03a.html

You see though that is what I am talking about. It didn't say much about the union helping him get his job back. He can file a law suit and if indeed he was wrongfully terminated he will be compensated appropriately. If it is proved he was not in a drinking establishment and it was just an excuse because of his religion the eeoc will help him not the union. If he was in fact fired due to his religion and appearance then it is unacceptable and he will be properly compensated.