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Once again u missed the point..the company fired him...u said everyone is paranoid and to just be honest.. companies just don't fire pilots..you are living in fantasyland...the union probably did get his job back..that article proves my point..we all need protection from a union...and everyone knows on this board as soon as you..D'angelo.. get into hot water u will scurry to the union like the rest of the freeloaders...enough!
 
Boy it sure is funny how you guys bash pilotyip without even knowing the facts. He is a stand up guy. Just because he enjoys his job and realizes that you don't need to make enormous amounts of money to be happy. A lot of you guys are just very angry. About what I do not know. I believe a large part of it is the mob mentality. So its not ok for people to bash the union a bit but its ok to bash people who enjoy their jobs and actually think with reason. Talk about a double standard! Basically the way you guys think is its your way or the highway. Typical union anger. Union guys really need to stop and smell the roses. Is it really worth getting industry leading contracts if your always so angry? Basically this job is a pretty laid back one. You do have to pay attention to little details but that is about it. Personally I like to come in, do my job that I enjoy and then live it up at home. Truly guys life is too short to have such rage and anger built up. So I don't like the union so what. I have every right to be vocal against the union. Basically they have overstayed their welcome. Its time for them to change the way they do buisness. If you like the union fine but you must be really insecure if you have to pounce on everyone that dislikes or has a negative view about them. Its time to let people think for themselves. I for one find life to be far too short to be so angry. Its best to goto work, do your job, and then enjoy your family life. Some of these hardcore anger union guys must have some patient wives. Time to end the anger and just enjoy your job for crying out loud. Goto work do your thing then leave the rest in the locker room when you go home. The day that everyone is making wages where they cant support the family is time to get mad. Theres much more to life than money
 
Diesel said:
What gangstafag you've got nothing else? common lets see that union bashing at its finest.

Of course as soon as you get in trouble I'll bet you'll be the first one to run to the union.

Obviously the competition isnt as stiff out there in your world. You are able to charge more of a premium in the fractional/corporate world. Therefore your making money therefore you are getting raises. Its quite simple really. Majors are losing money therefore taking paycuts, which by the way the pilots still make great money after the paycuts. Regionals are taking modest payraises or some paycuts to survive. We all know all regionals are profitable. Problem is we are anchored to mainline like the titanic. They go down we go down. Bankruptcy allows for the cancellation of contracts. The contract goes to the lowest bidder. Thats simple economics. Unless the union knows how to drive the invisible hand they cant do crap unless the economy is good and everyone is making tons of money. Then they just hold everyone hostage when everyone is making money. If they would stop getting so outrageous and get contracts that are logical and reasonable they wouldnt be taking such large paycuts.
 
Gangstafag- my beef is not with your economic theories it is with your constant union bashing. How you will tell the union to stick it. Don't like a union go work for a non-union shop.

Of course you just flame.
 
D'Angelo said:
A lot of you guys are just very angry.

who is angry?..i'm living the dream!..just got off the golf course...headed to Rendevous for some ribs...golf tomorrow and the next day..and next day...taking the wife to bikenite on the Hog on wed...u are the only angry one...cause u make in a yr what i make in 2 months...i would be angry too..better talk to your union about that!!!! mmmm..smell those ribs..


Let me tell ya bout the rib juice!!
 
CaptainMark said:
who is angry?..i'm living the dream!..just got off the golf course...headed to Rendevous for some ribs...golf tomorrow and the next day..and next day...taking the wife to bikenite on the Hog on wed...u are the only angry one...cause u make in a yr what i make in 2 months...i would be angry too..better talk to your union about that!!!! mmmm..smell those ribs..


Let me tell ya bout the rib juice!!

hahaha well if your talking strike at fedex you sure must be angry about something. ummm ya I do just fine with me and the ladies combined income. Besides your previous posts seem quite angry for sure. You absolutely do not need a raise. Your unions trying to hold the company hostage will surely backfire. Not today but someday it will absolutely backfire. What comes around goes around. Besides last time I checked you havent seen my W2 so maybe its 3 months. No worries though this job requires basically no work but paperwork.
 
Diesel said:
Gangstafag- my beef is not with your economic theories it is with your constant union bashing. How you will tell the union to stick it. Don't like a union go work for a non-union shop.

Of course you just flame.

To tell a union to stick it is quite simple. If 1/2 the pilot group witholds dues for 2 months to express displeasure that will certainly get their attention. The problem with ALPO is they represent too many airlines. Too many agendas to be able to represent everyone in good faith. A non union company will do their best to ensure the pilot group gets a fair deal. Otherwise they have to deal with a union. Unfortunately the RLA is sooo worried about peoples "right to organize" that they forget about the right of employees to tell the union to shove it if they please.
 
Mmmmm dry rub at the rendezvous. Hey cpt mark have you ever been to the german joint that has a sign above rendezvous? My wife and I allways forget to try it and by that time we have a hankering for bbq.
 
Diesel said:
Mmmmm dry rub at the rendezvous. Hey cpt mark have you ever been to the german joint that has a sign above rendezvous? My wife and I allways forget to try it and by that time we have a hankering for bbq.

are u talking about ERIKAS...i have not been there..i should try it though..ribs were goooood!!! i have to run tomorrow to burn off all that cholesteral...
 
D'Angelo said:
A non union company will do their best to ensure the pilot group gets a fair deal. Otherwise they have to deal with a union. .

Again u are proving your ignorance...why don't u research FDX...a non-union carrier for almost 20 years...find out why they went union...you again need to do some research before u make idiotic statements...you are just a fool...you have become the village idiot of flightinfo...
 
CaptainMark said:
Again u are proving your ignorance...why don't u research FDX...a non-union carrier for almost 20 years...find out why they went union...you again need to do some research before u make idiotic statements...you are just a fool...you have become the village idiot of flightinfo...

Im sure fed-ex was more than fair to their employees. The union mob mentality always gets people fired up for the wrong reasons. As always the truth lies in the middle. Again the RLA is more concerned with "the right to organize" than they are with the right to tell unions to get lost. unions are derived from pure anger. Senseless anger at that I might add. They are trying to convince you guys you must have a pay raise every new contract even though you enjoy golf when you want, have multiple houses and great retirement. Sorry you dont always have to keep "shooting for the moon". Duane just wants his money back since he lost some. No need to strike every time you dont get your way. That is reserved for toddlers. Stomping their feet just because things dont go their way. They always want someone to be their sheep to the slaughter. Tell em to get lost. Your MEC doesnt pee for you. You pee for yourself and speak for yourself as well!!
 
CaptainMark said:
you are just a fool...you have become the village idiot of flightinfo...
CM,
You're right, before you get too wound up with him, try the "Ignore" feature under the User CP. I did and it works great!
 
xjhawk said:
yeah...at mesaba, i beleive since our unioon told us the min cut we will take is 6 percent since thats what they offered to the company, i beleive we are screwed from the get go.....and as for NWA and their new Compass, i beelive they will be lost within three years to a sell off!
Moreover, most of our senior pilots have never worked at a regional airline. Most believe that the regionals will never be a good job so they don't take steps to change that aspect of this profession. Considering that idea, they use that as a justification as to why they allow things to happen. I understnad that it is very possible to take action to improve the quality of employment, however I came from XJ and under my current circumstances understand what you guys are going through. I know I would be mad if they started up a third regional. However, whether or not they sell off compass, which is what they will probably do, we had to negotiate something that allows contract protects for our pilots. I don't know if there is a way we can setup protection on new scope relief other than for our pilot group. It will be up to you to keep what you have, although the 50 seat jet market is a dying sector of ths business. With that fact in mind you guys are more of victim of management and circumstance, rather than the mainline pilot group.
 
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YourPilotFriend said:
Our airline is losing money and we can still negotiate, your airline is making money hand over fist and you guys can't negotiate. Don't blame mainline pilots for saving their jobs, the airline had to cut costs to that of SWA, and that's exactly what they did. When the next low cost airline comes in we will cut our pay to their level. Welcome to the era of deregulation, eventually we will be making nothing. As far as I see this contract is a victory, since it holds onto the past a little longer.

We have an career where thousands of people will do our job for below mcdonalds wages. Low ball airlines can start up and force prices down and then disappear leaving damage that takes decades to repair. The industry is dominated by oil and the market. We have technology that removes human function from the pilots, you name it. This is a dying profession and pilots are literally working overtime to drive it there. Why? because that's just the way it is. Everbody does it in every career there is, some professionals have taken steps to stop it. Pilots have not done a dang thing to control this profession in any way shape or form, half of the pilot group out there shouldn't even be there.

For god sakes look at Mesaba, that company was making profits before bankruptcy, during bankruptcy, and will make money after bankruptcy. It's not going anywhere but up for them and you guys are negotiating concessions. Then you have the audacity to say the mainline people threw you under the bus. It's hard to throw you guys under the bus when you laid down in the middle of the road. Start realizing that you will get nothing from mainline pilots, they don't even want you in their jumpseat. Wake up guys!


Hey, Hey, Hey now. Why all the anger at the regional pilots? Is it not your pilot group that keeps on approving more and more regoinal jets? Dont take it out on us. F@g.
 
YourPilotFriend said:
I don't know if there is a way we can setup protection on new scope relief other than for our pilot group. It will be up to you to keep what you have, although the 50 seat jet market is a dying sector of ths business. With that fact in mind you guys are more of victim of management and circumstance, rather than the mainline pilot group.

Sure there is. All pilots flying for a "Brand" on a single seniority list. No more whipsawing, No more scope, No more substituting experienced pilots and putting them on furlough for 350 hour generation Xr's.
Now that you voted for a TA that would basically turn you into "Regional" paid pilots. Why not do away with Mainline and regional pilots and turn everyone into airline pilots?
And I'm not talking about a flow trough program, but rather a normal progression program.
The entry level job at NWA should be the right seat of the SAAB and if you come in young enough, you would retire on the whale. but with a pilot group that is divided into three different colors, In a pilot group that it still puts restrictions to other pilots within its own seniority list to fly the wide bodies because they are not "Red Book", within a pilot group that would much rather pay for a pass to fly with XJ or PCL so they don't have to talk to the regional scum in the front. To a pilot group that sold the junior pilots and screwed the DC-9 drivers jobs with the misguided hope of keeping their pensions. This will never happen.

P.S.
For those of you NWA that commute with us regional scum, you don't have to lower your heads as you are exiting the A/C because you didn't say "HI" as you boarded (The fat ugly F*ck that commutes from FSD/MSP Is a perfect example).You will always be welcomed on our flights, and we will always go out of our way to make sure you get on. Unlike you do to our commuters.
 
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For those of you NWA that commute with us regional scum, you don't have to lower your heads as you are exiting the A/C because you didn't say "HI" as you boarded (The fat ugly F*ck that commutes from FSD/MSP Is a perfect example).You will always be welcomed on our flights, and we will always go out of our way to make sure you get on. Unlike you do to our commuters.

Speak for yourself DumbAss. Got any more blanket statements?

I have personally gone out of my way many times to get your commuters on my flights. Both as a working crewmember and as a commuter on the same flight. Just last week I set an agent straight who said that the XJ XCM could not go down to the A/C with the crew. She was cocky about it too. I stopped that in its tracks immediately and the XJ jumpseater followed me down and stowed his bags on the flightdeck with my apologies in hand. I have also spent a lot of effort making sure that regional XCM's on a NW flight that I was jumpseating on were handled properly. I've also sat on the F/A jumpseat on a DC-9(rear one....between the lavs) for 2 1/2 hours when I had reserved the cockpit j/s to make sure an XJ pilot got on. Both airlines have some jerks to be sure and trust me, I've seen plenty of XJ/Mesaba jumpseaters be long gone without a word when the cockpit door was opened on arrival. The difference is that I don't hold it against the NEXT jumpseater on a later flight.
 
DTW320, You have the right attitude. I find that there are some Northwest guys who prefer to use a pass on PCL instead of the jumpseat. They just go sit down. No problems with me. When I ride a pass on NWA, I do the same.

I've seen what you describe many times. One crewmember helping the other. As it should be. If I know there is a jumpseater (from ANY carrier), I try and make sure personally that they get on. That's also the way I'd like to be treated.
 
In a pilot group that it still puts restrictions to other pilots within its own seniority list to fly the wide bodies because they are not "Red Book"

Roberts award quotas ended 1/1/2006. Once again....you are WRONG.

within a pilot group that would much rather pay for a pass to fly with XJ or PCL so they don't have to talk to the regional scum in the front

You're just way out there aren't you buddy? What color is the sky in your angry little world?

And silly me, when I meet one of your 4-stripers out on the line I call'm Captain if I don't already know there name. Now I find out from YOU that they are "regional scum"!! I'm so embarrassed to have spoken to them. Who knew?
 
DTW320 said:
You're just way out there aren't you buddy? What color is the sky in your angry little world?

I know you do already, but please understand that Dumb Pilot DOES NOT voice the majority opinion at XJ. I commute out of MSP and I have to say that 99% of all NWA pilots go above and beyond to help me out. I also do my 110% to return the favor when I can (ask that NWA guy I got to SBN the other day on a weight critical/overbooked flight).

Thread hijacking aside, I am still in a state of shock that NWA pilots ratified that TA.
 
Does anybody know if the NWA rates curenlty posted (5/7/06) on airline pilot central are the rates before or after the TA takes effect?
 
Quiet Flight said:
Does anybody know if the NWA rates curenlty posted (5/7/06) on airline pilot central are the rates before or after the TA takes effect?
Those are the rates now and after the TA.
 
I have personally gone out of my way many times to get your commuters on my flights.

I'm sure that the DC-9 pilots that will loose their jobs because you sold them out, will be static to hear that you are nice to regional jump seaters. I'm touched

Roberts award quotas ended 1/1/2006. Once again....you are WRONG.

Congratulations in being allowed into the Red Book club!

About the TA. lets hit the highlights.

Sold out the junior pilots and caved in like little bitches. Enjoy your retirement and the opportunity to fly the big iron pal. Funny how all the mainline pilots that I talk to voted NO on the TA. Can't find a single one that admits to voting yes. Red Bookish indeed
 
pilotyip said:
Again Capt Mark you were lucky, today a age of 25, 3000 whatevers would not even get you an interview at FedEdx. I know military guys in the 5000-10000 hours range, all jet who can not get interviews. BTW you hijacked this thread with your almighty talking down to the pilots who elected to save their jobs. May you never have to face what most of the pilots in this country have had to face in their careers

Don't waste your time Pilotyip, we've got them here too at UAL. Interns or legacies hired young who will never know what the "real" world is all about.

There generally pompous and full of themselves, his next response to you is classic of what I hear when I ask these god's gift to aviation about their flying "experience" before they got hired.

Tailwinds

Koko
 
Dumb Pilot said:
I'm sure that the DC-9 pilots that will loose their jobs because you sold them out, will be static to hear that you are nice to regional jump seaters. I'm touched



Congratulations in being allowed into the Red Book club!

About the TA. lets hit the highlights.

Sold out the junior pilots and caved in like little bitches. Enjoy your retirement and the opportunity to fly the big iron pal. Funny how all the mainline pilots that I talk to voted NO on the TA. Can't find a single one that admits to voting yes. Red Bookish indeed

Yeah, you're touched allright......or "mentally challenged" if you prefer.

OK little man, let's "hit the highlights" : Enjoy my retirement? I plan to....in 20 years. Fly the big iron? Please note my screen name (do a Google search on 320 + airplane for clues). Maybe you meant "the big plastic". By the way, what's a "static" DC-9 pilot? Really funny how I responded to your junior-high mentality post about Jumpseaters and you now avoid the topic with a vengeance and try to tell me how I voted. Come'on now...give us another blanket statement will ya? I'm dyin to know more about what 100% of my fellow NW pilots think about XJ/Mesaba.

Congrats on having the most accurate screen name on Flightinfo.

DTW320
Bluebook
Voted NO
 
Dumb Pilot said:
I'm sure that the DC-9 pilots that will loose their jobs because you sold them out, will be static to hear that you are nice to regional jump seaters. I'm touched



Congratulations in being allowed into the Red Book club!

About the TA. lets hit the highlights.

Sold out the junior pilots and caved in like little bitches. Enjoy your retirement and the opportunity to fly the big iron pal. Funny how all the mainline pilots that I talk to voted NO on the TA. Can't find a single one that admits to voting yes. Red Bookish indeed

quit yer whining! It's called a democracy and the majority spoke plain and simple. I commend the NWA guys for having bal*s. Standing up for what they believe in, voting for it and saying screw what the vocal minority is screaming for us to do. Go cry to mommy now
 
D'Angelo said:
...Standing up for what they believe in, voting for it and saying screw what the vocal minority is screaming for us to do...

Because you just want to fly your shiny CRJ, no matter what the overall cost to the industry is. Why do I get the impression that I'm fighting pilots like you more than I'm fighting management?

Is this why people have this guy on ignore?
 
koko nw said:
Don't waste your time Pilotyip, we've got them here too at UAL. Interns or legacies hired young who will never know what the "real" world is all about.

There generally pompous and full of themselves, his next response to you is classic of what I hear when I ask these god's gift to aviation about their flying "experience" before they got hired.

Tailwinds

Koko


wwaaaaaa!!! wwwaaaaaaaa!!!! life's unfair...wwwwwaaaaaaaaa!!!
 
what is a 10 star senior member?
 
koko nw said:
Interns or legacies hired young who will never know what the "real" world is all about.

real world hmm... well i got hired with 4,500 tt and 3000 jet...all civilian which consisted of flight instructing..single and multi-engine charter...and cargo learjet flying 5 legs a night from coast to coast... and that is way more experience than u had at 25 years old...no intern or legacy here...go back in your hole!
 
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