NWA TA ratified

[YourPilotFriend]

Why? For the life of me I cannot figure out why every airline has to feel the need to cut their cost down to that of Southwest. Even more, it can't be done by a Legacy carrier. The nature of our company with one fleet type, and 25 minute turns enables Southwest to have a cost advantage over a Legacy carrier. We are basic transportation, nothing more. No First Class cabins, No World Clubs, No Hot Shot VIP boarding status, NOTHING. If Northwest insists that it needs to be around Southwest's costs, then they need to eliminate much of the premiums they give out and get down to basic air transportation. And let Steenland know that Gary Kelly earned, in 2005, only $405,000 in salary, not much in this industry for a CEO that can turn out a profit.

If you haven't noticed, SWA operating costs dominate the pricing market. It's also interesting to note that the actual value of the TA puts NWA operating costs lower than that of SWA. NWA now has a disposable fleet in the DC-9 and the ability to shed debt onto compass airlines. Unless SWA pilots take a paycut they will no longer be a competitive airline.

 

[Occam's Razor]

No you stupid moron. I quit the airlines for good. Have fun going through this chariade every 4 years. You can only beat a dog so many times before he leaves. This will not end in the next decade. I prefer for my kids to know who I am. Adios.

Excellent!

"Win #2" acheived!

Whiner gone.

I hope you spend that extra time with your kids (the greatest thing that ever happened to me...my kids) to explain how life is always fair, and that when they enter a career it will always get better...always! Describe the ability of anger, invective, and frustration to blunt any and all external forces that might array against their chosen profession.

If you blend those lessons in with all the other fairy tales, they'll never know it's a lecture.

And that's Captain Stupid Moron to you!

 

[j50]

This household voted NO....it took a few extra minutes because we couldn't find F*** NO on the ballot. As of this morning, NWA has been instructed to no longer deduct ALPA dues from the paycheck. Make the wimpy ba*****s come get the money. We will not be a part of the race to the bottom.

Counting the days til the better half retires from this great career turned crappy job....

gutshotdraw..from a senior Greenie...PM if you'll accept

 

[wolfpackpilot]

People like me are actually saving the industry.

Back in your hole "Turd-Ball".

Go hang out with your RJ butt buddies on the regional board and quit posting on the Majors... cause you'll never work for one numnutts.

 

[Going2Baja]

Back in your hole "Turd-Ball".

Go hang out with your RJ butt buddies on the regional board and quit posting on the Majors... cause you'll never work for one numnutts.

You hit the nail on the head bro!!!

Baja.

 

[D'Angelo]

Back in your hole "Turd-Ball".

Go hang out with your RJ butt buddies on the regional board and quit posting on the Majors... cause you'll never work for one numnutts.

hahaha as if you can actually predict the future. Trust me its easy to put on the "game face" for the interview. Not that I would be succesful but you never know what happens. If I ever were to get hired at a major though I would definately make sure to educate people on their rights under the RLA. Meaning I will show them how to tell the union to go shove it! Also I will show how arbitration is the only way to go in the future to survive. No more strikes, no more screaming like tards. At this point in time I am happy where I am at however perhaps someday ill start applying elsewhere. One never knows

 

[Holy Shiite]

hahaha as if you can actually predict the future. Trust me its easy to put on the "game face" for the interview. Not that I would be succesful but you never know what happens. If I ever were to get hired at a major though I would definately make sure to educate people on their rights under the RLA. Meaning I will show them how to tell the union to go shove it! Also I will show how arbitration is the only way to go in the future to survive. No more strikes, no more screaming like tards. At this point in time I am happy where I am at however perhaps someday ill start applying elsewhere. One never knows

This human scum is not a Pilot. He has signed on to this board a few months ago and bashes all pro-union statements. Do a search and see this scumbag for what he is. This low-life would sell his Mom for the right price being the management puke that he is. Go crawl back under your rock now dipsh1t.

HS

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No you stupid moron. I quit the airlines for good. Have fun going through this chariade every 4 years. You can only beat a dog so many times before he leaves. This will not end in the next decade. I prefer for my kids to know who I am. Adios.

Quitter.

 

[doh]

Kudos to the NWA guys. They have bal*s for voting what they want and to save their career. It gets really old hearing all these other chest thumpers try to tell another pilot group what to do. "buy those men a beer!"

I agree that they may have salvaged their careers here. My problem with what you post is that you seem to take a lot of joy in seeing these folks lose. That is why so many people think you are a tool. When you see a body bag being removed from the scene of an accident, are you happy? It does not make sense.

 

[CaptainMark]

Fagangelo is not a pilot....even if she was...what a disgrace!

 

[pilotyip]

doh, how did they loose, they still have jobs, that pay a lot more than a bread truck driver? Which more than I can say for my two experiences at union air carriers.

 

[doh]

hahaha as if you can actually predict the future. Trust me its easy to put on the "game face" for the interview. Not that I would be succesful but you never know what happens. If I ever were to get hired at a major though I would definately make sure to educate people on their rights under the RLA. Meaning I will show them how to tell the union to go shove it! Also I will show how arbitration is the only way to go in the future to survive. No more strikes, no more screaming like tards. At this point in time I am happy where I am at however perhaps someday ill start applying elsewhere. One never knows

Okay, we can start now. Show me how arbitration is in my best interests. use your superior skills of persuasion to convince me. I don't think you can. I believe the government should stay out of negotiations altogether. If people can't come to an agreement then the company can tank. The market can then proceed to fill the void. If the market is then under served, well prices will go up until the balance is preserved. having the gov. set the rules of engagement is just third party interference. That is probably to much democracy for some one like you though. But hey, give me your best arguments and we'll see.:beer:

 

[doh]

P.S. A long as we are eliminating the third party involvement, no accountants, lawyers or other advisors on the management side either. As long as management is telling me I can negotiate for myself better than my union, they should be willing to do the same, right sport?

 

[doh]

doh, how did they loose, they still have jobs, that pay a lot more than a bread truck driver? Which more than I can say for my two experiences at union air carriers.

They did not "loose", they "lose". Sorry, that is a pet peeve of mine. The folks who fly the DC9 still have jobs? Not for long! They may get first crack at the newco or compass (whatever they are calling the outsource company) jobs, but the pay and benefits are substantially less. That is a loss. Those jobs will not pay more than the ever popular bread truck driver. Unions are not a panacea, but as long as management has an army of lawyers, accountants, etc. to advise them, I want some experts of my own to advise me as well. Unions only exist as an offset to management perfidy. If they played nice, we would not have a union. I am glad your company plays nice, so you don't need a union. I too am going to a company that is non union. I hope to high heaven it stays that way. that would mean that things are working the way they should.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Okay, we can start now. Show me how arbitration is in my best interests. use your superior skills of persuasion to convince me.

Please don’t feed the monkey bananas. He is mentally sick with a very treacherous strain of the West African dumb*ss disease as his picture shows.

Plus, if you feed him, he’ll just poop in his hands and throw it at you. That’s why we keep him locked in a cage…. called (Comair).

 

[doh]

I am bored, so I am conducting this little psych eval for purely time passing purposes. Besides, I believe he is in management. He will not respond, because the play book says when you are caught in a lie, pause for a moment and then continue on.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Besides, I believe he is in management.

He's an intern with Ford & Harrison. Depending upon the work he does here, they may promote him to the mailroom.

Doh makes a good point: Companies get the unions they deserve.

 

[IXLR8]

They did not "loose", they "lose". Sorry, that is a pet peeve of mine.

Mine too!!....every once in a while I make a typo..but a lot of people always spell "lose" as "loose".....or, maybe it's the other way around:laugh:

 

[D'Angelo]

This human scum is not a Pilot. He has signed on to this board a few months ago and bashes all pro-union statements. Do a search and see this scumbag for what he is. This low-life would sell his Mom for the right price being the management puke that he is. Go crawl back under your rock now dipsh1t.

HS

So I am a pilot with comair that dislikes unions. So what??? Does everyone have to be the same. HOLD THE LINE, YOU HAVE BAL*S, GIVE EM HELL, RAISE THE BAR. Enough of that crap that stuff makes me wanna puke! Unions had their purpose back in the day however they no longer serve a valid purpose.

 

[D'Angelo]

I agree that they may have salvaged their careers here. My problem with what you post is that you seem to take a lot of joy in seeing these folks lose. That is why so many people think you are a tool. When you see a body bag being removed from the scene of an accident, are you happy? It does not make sense.

I am happy for these guys, not because they had to take a paycut but because they saved their jobs. We all saw what happened to those at eastern trying to "hold the line". No one appriciated what they did and their flying was all taken over. I wouldnt be happy to see a body bag going from the scene of an accident. I would be more than happy to see someone bruised and battered still standing at the end of the day. It just makes no sense now a days to go on strike. Everyone wants it so bad because we all know there is a glut of flying. Well no one should do down in flame just because everyone else tells them too. I say good for the NWA guys. They have bal*s. These are painful times but still they rise to have a job the next day.

 

[D'Angelo]

Okay, we can start now. Show me how arbitration is in my best interests. use your superior skills of persuasion to convince me. I don't think you can. I believe the government should stay out of negotiations altogether. If people can't come to an agreement then the company can tank. The market can then proceed to fill the void. If the market is then under served, well prices will go up until the balance is preserved. having the gov. set the rules of engagement is just third party interference. That is probably to much democracy for some one like you though. But hey, give me your best arguments and we'll see.:beer:

It is in your best interests. Why should you be the one willing to take the fall for everyone else. Why should you have to start all over at crappy first year pay? ALPO has turned this game into every man for himself. They can't sign off on Mesa style contracts and then expect people not to respond. This is why arbitration is good. No more going on strike and going down in flames. You get a board of 3 people. One management chooses, one the pilots choose and one neutral party. The pilot group goes to work, they get input on everything from everyone. You do the best you can and you find out a fair wage that is right in the middle. Then the company does the same thing. No lawyers, no accountants no nothing. Just management people making accurate calculations. If they come in and lowball the arbitrators will look at all the evidence and decide not to entertain the companies offer if its too low. If the union offer is outrageous then it wouldnt be accepeted either. It would either encourage them to go back and negotiate or the deal that meets most in the middle wins. Its quite simple really. This way you actually get realistic contracts. Its pointless to get a shoot for the moon contract when it only lasts a couple years then you go down in flames anyway because your no longer competitive. Its time to take control back of our lives and stop living the union drama scene. They are going to have to do a better job of finding middle ground and stop wasting time with outrageous proposals. There is already noise of arbitration in Washington. Lets hope they keep working toward it!

 

[D'Angelo]

P.S. A long as we are eliminating the third party involvement, no accountants, lawyers or other advisors on the management side either. As long as management is telling me I can negotiate for myself better than my union, they should be willing to do the same, right sport?

Yes it should be management vs the pilot group plain and simple. No more third parties. Each side drafts the fairest proposal possible. If a company is making money there is no way an arbitrator will accept any proposal that includes a paycut.

 

[D'Angelo]

Please don’t feed the monkey bananas. He is mentally sick with a very treacherous strain of the West African dumb*ss disease as his picture shows.

Plus, if you feed him, he’ll just poop in his hands and throw it at you. That’s why we keep him locked in a cage…. called (Comair).

Ummm yea obviously some Honkey has a little bit of an anger issue. I wonder if you say that stuff at work my friend. I assure you no union can protect you from that type of garbage talk. Have fun in your ignorant world.

 

[D'Angelo]

Fagangelo is not a pilot....even if she was...what a disgrace!

I sure am a line flying pilot. you guys just dont want to belive some guys out there actually think for themselves. You guys are full of more hot air than the 14th stage bleed air from the engines.

 

[pilotyip]

D'ang, you have to stop posting this stuff, this is a pilot board and it does not deal in reality. The facts only confuse the issue and distort the fantasy.

 

[CaptainMark]

Unions had their purpose back in the day however they no longer serve a valid purpose.

you have said this a number of times...so if your captain taxis off the taxiway in some bad wx and the company fires both of you...who u gonna call?..al sharpton?....i don't think so!...if some passenger says they smelled alcohol on your breath and the company fires u...who you gonna call?..pilotyip?...i don't think so...these things have happened in the past and will continue to happen...unions might not be the greatest thing since sliced bread but they do serve a purpose!!!! and by the way...all that $$$$ in my B-fund says they serve a purpose...fdx wasn't just gonna give us the money!..still an idiot! ....and pilotyip go back to the cargo board and rave about paying your F/Os 25/hr ...

i bet he will not answer the questions?????????

 

[pilotyip]

Correction

Come on Capt you have short memory, I think it comes with being a programer instead of a pilot, our F/O 's start out in the DA-20 at $51.82/hr and $57.18 in the DC-9, I think that is better than FedEx starting pay? BTW what are you doing off the cargo board?

 

[CaptainMark]

Come on Capt you have short memory, I think it comes with being a programer instead of a pilot, our F/O 's start out in the DA-20 at $51.82/hr and $57.18 in the DC-9, I think that is better than FedEx starting pay? BTW what are you doing off the cargo board?

u are right..but 2nd yr pay for a 72 f/o is 96...and w/b f/o is 117...i think your 2nd yr pay stays the same as your first..WWWHHHAAATTTTT????....nice raise....don't u have to pm your buddy d'angelo and find out more ways to enjoy the misery of the real pilots on this board...and u wish u could be a programmer...it is 8:30pm..way past your bedtime!

 

[Uppercrust]

You anti-union guys really don't have a clue. If it wasn't for guys like Capt Mark busting there butts this country would be no where. Capt Mark pays more taxes on his golf houses and 250K a year than all of us combined. And yeah, that salary is around because of the hard work and determination of a union. I for one am proud to have unions and to have CaptMark be a leader in our country!! His dedication and sacrifices know no limits.

 

[pilotyip]

Uppercrust how about ex union pilots who had their companies go out of business, then collected tax money in the form on unemployment compensation. Don't we get any credit for where the country is? BTW Capt Mark it is not past my bed time however I don't stay up all night like you.