NWA Super Premium Wide Body Boondoggle - if 65 Wasn't Bad Enough...

[ASA_DFW]

The computer will assign you trips based on your seniority and preferences. We have an ALV (average line value) for each aircraft every month. The ALV will vary according to the number of block hours and number of qualified pilots in that category. On the MD-88 B ATL the ALV is 82-89 for the month of February. Your line value will be between those numbers.

Senior guys on the 777 might have a lower line value. To drop a trip, somebody must pick it up of it can be dropped if there is coverage.

I do not want the senior guys to have the option to get a full pension and only fly when they want to. It is not fair to the Delta guys who lost their pension and now have to fly until 65 to make up lost money.

I do not buy the arguement that the NWA guys will only fly part-time and everybody will move up a little. There is too much money at stake. The company may not want it because it costs too much to pay two guys to one person's job. I do not think that the MEC will vote on the proposal. If they let the senior guys fly part-time why can't I fly part time? It must be fair and representive to all.

 

[ASA_DFW]

I'd warn against thinking any MEC is smart enough to read your mind on any particular resolution. Go to the meeting or at the least contact your rep an let them know your concerns.
A panel of 55+ year old guys may think this is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I have faith in my MEC. They think in the long term and not just for one group of pilots. My voice and reasoning will be know and I will listening to what the MEC has to say about the issue.

At Northwest, was the MEC a certain group of pilots who only looked out for themselves? Not to flame, just curious.

 

[Fly4hire]

At Northwest, was the MEC a certain group of pilots who only looked out for themselves? Not to flame, just curious.

In a nutshell yes. There was a 51/49 split between the forces of good and the forces of darkness. Our former MEC CH was the head of the Medusa. Many, many FN pilots are very grateful to be under a new MEC.

 

[FBN0223]

In a nutshell yes. There was a 51/49 split between the forces of good and the forces of darkness. Our former MEC CH was the head of the Medusa. Many, many FN pilots are very grateful to be under a new MEC.

Let us not forget how those forces of darkness at NWALPA created fear, then wrap it up that fear into a contract that took care of the senior pilots and gave the junior pilot's flying away to Compass Airlines.

Not until the FAs voted down their conciliatory contract did the NW pilots realize that NWALPA had led them astray and they had been duped by Steenland and crew.

The 600 million that the pilots negotiated away from themselves was then was distributed amongst upper management and what was left was used to create Compass Airlines. A "slap in the face" flow-down was put in place so that in the event of tough times, junior NWA pilots could slide down and reclaim their flying but at bargain basement prices that gave no credit for longevity.

Sorry for the quick history lesson but when things go wrong they really go wrong. Hopefully, with the new DALPA, we will use common sense and not let fear and greed divide the group. No more giving away flying off the bottom or off the top. If you want to fly part-time after 60, go buy a super cub.

 

[clippyrip]

golden oldie NWA guys are using this to double dip because of their A fund

These are the same guys that are sitting on 10K+ a month pensions. It's time for them to move on so the rest of us can try and eek out a living.

 

[Schwanker]

I am not willing to do anything.
I have made my issue with this known when it was passed on your side. We tried this before at DAL, but it did not work out that well or for two long.

They retired, they need to go. I can just see the company really be rooting for this one. It is a huge cost savings to them, and hence was the point of my previous post.

They is management. I am sure that there are some that think we can gain something by allowing this. The only thing it allows is slower attrition.
I know what it is and who has a say, but with the PWA, the company has a stake in it too.

Not really. These said pilots will be making more money flying part time than they do now with a full schedule. They are sitting on a retirement of 150-160K/yr. They are working beyond 60 now for minimal pay above their available retirement. The company still has to fund the retirement, and the sooner pilots start drawing, the more costly it is for the company.

ALL DAL pilots should stand with the junior 2/3s of the NWA list and shoot this BS down. Either they retire and get out of the way, or fly until 65 if they wish. Again, their pay is not significantly greater than the retirement they are eligible for. Most will leave well before 65, unless we let them keep their "flying club." They want it both ways, at the junior pilot's expense. Let them move on.

On another note, why even entertain it unless it's available to ALL pilots. Not just those over 60.

Schwanker

 

[Linedriver]

On another note, why even entertain it unless it's available to ALL pilots. Not just those over 60.

Schwanker

Ding, ding, ding.....

 

[fishguy79]

Not really. These said pilots will be making more money flying part time than they do now with a full schedule. They are sitting on a retirement of 150-160K/yr. They are working beyond 60 now for minimal pay above their available retirement. The company still has to fund the retirement, and the sooner pilots start drawing, the more costly it is for the company.

ALL DAL pilots should stand with the junior 2/3s of the NWA list and shoot this BS down. Either they retire and get out of the way, or fly until 65 if they wish. Again, their pay is not significantly greater than the retirement they are eligible for. Most will leave well before 65, unless we let them keep their "flying club." They want it both ways, at the junior pilot's expense. Let them move on.

On another note, why even entertain it unless it's available to ALL pilots. Not just those over 60.

Schwanker

I am glad to see a FNWA guy come out and say this is a crock. If the over 60 crowd wants to fly, then stay till 65. If they want the retirement then leave. Only a greedy SOB could come up with a plan to retire and fly part time.uke: I will be writing my rep. Hope it works. I cant believe someone could propose this with a straight face.

 

[NuGuy]

I am glad to see a FNWA guy come out and say this is a crock. If the over 60 crowd wants to fly, then stay till 65. If they want the retirement then leave. Only a greedy SOB could come up with a plan to retire and fly part time.uke: I will be writing my rep. Hope it works. I cant believe someone could propose this with a straight face.

Heyas FG,

I'm not sure it's going to be received all that well. The guys pushing this are the same guys who abstained from voting for Moak, when he was the only candidate for chairman in the combined MEC.

Hehe, good plan...

Nu

 

[clippyrip]

unless we let them keep their "flying club."

Exactly!

I feel fortunate that most of the Delta pilots will see this for what it is and shoot it down. If we were stand alone it probably would pass. One more final shiv in the ribs just when you thought age 65 was the last.

 

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[clippyrip]

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Sweeter than yoohoo!

 

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I'm sure this tool had something useless to say as usual.

 

[Linedriver]

Ok, tool was mentioned - trash talking begins.

 

[michael707767]

I have faith in my MEC. They think in the long term and not just for one group of pilots. My voice and reasoning will be know and I will listening to what the MEC has to say about the issue.

are you kidding me? The Delta MEC thinks long term, as in giving away thousands of job via scope concessions? Yeah, lets give up 90 seat jets......it won't affect our jobs cause time will always be good and Delta will always be growing.