NWA seniority progression

[propdog]

Anyone knows how long it takes to hold ANC 747 FO (I imagine it must be very senior)?? How about 74 PAX?

I hear ANC 747 SO has gone rather junior this time around...

 

[nwaredtail]

anc747fo - 12 years and will be very junior for a while
dtw 747f0 - 1989 hire

 

[123]

New hires will be going into the backseat of the 747-200 in ANC. You can expect to be on reserve forever, or at least until moving to a different a/c.

 

[anotherF16pilot]

Can new hires expect the 9 out of MSP or DTW with a seat lock? Or is there a smattering of possibilities?

 

[Fly4hire]

Can new hires expect the 9 out of MSP or DTW with a seat lock? Or is there a smattering of possibilities?

There is no seat lock for new hires, and while they don't encourage it, you can upgrade while on probation. There may even be new hires into the 32O shortly, as well as the 747SO.

We already have new hires that were pulled out of DC9 and into 320 training.

The tough call will be whether to fly the DC9 and wait for the 757 which will be about 2 years, or take the first available to the 320.

There is a 4 year lock to go laterally on like gage acft (320-757). The 757 is flying to Europe, Alaska, Hawaii, and Asia intra-port, as well as domestic - probably the best variety in the system.

If you go 320 to 757 you can break that or any other freeze for a first time Captain upgrade. There are currently ~5600 pilots on the list (~4900 active in any month), and junior reserve DC9 Captain is 4230 today.

The reserve system is very tolerable if you decide to live in base.

Expect mucho movement with accelerating retirements and as NWA expands and recovers from their short staffing.

 

[volav8r1]

What aircraft are based in MEM? I know about the DC-9 and i'm relatively sure there's an airbus base there. What about the 757 or any international flying?

Also, as a new hire in the 9, how long til I could expect to hold 320 reserve in MEM.

Thanks for any info & looking forward to class.

Vol

 

[IHateMgmt]

Is it safe to assume new hires are all going to DTW/MEM or are some in MSP as well?

 

[JAM-BRO]

The 9 and 320 MEM base is senior to MSP and DTW. You can expect lots of movement in the next couple of years.

What aircraft are based in MEM? I know about the DC-9 and i'm relatively sure there's an airbus base there. What about the 757 or any international flying?

Also, as a new hire in the 9, how long til I could expect to hold 320 reserve in MEM.

Thanks for any info & looking forward to class.

Vol

 

[AdlerDriver]

New hires will be going into the backseat of the 747-200 in ANC. You can expect to be on reserve forever, or at least until moving to a different a/c.

Can you give me any details on the NWA cargo flights between ORD-ANC & back?
Days of the week, dep/arr times, etc. would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

The above information is mostly correct.

If you want the -9, you can have just about anything you want, MSP, DTW or MEM, especially if reserve is ok for a few months (although a block out of school is not out of the question on the -9). The "preference bid" lists for those positions are exhausted, meaning there is no one on the property that wants them, opening those positions to new hires.

Reserve on the 320 is almost to that point, and reserve on the 757 is only slightly behind that. Given current rates (usual disclaimers apply), block for the -9 or 320 should be had within a year.

MSP is typically senior, but only slightly so. Some people just don't like the smell of BBQ in their airport (pagans!).

The pref-up list in ANC SO reserve is also exhausted, so you might see new hires there. Surprisingly the 747 FO list in ANC is also fairly short.

The larger equipment (330/744/SEA) will remain out of reach for the newbie for a long time. Mostly 12-15 year people in line for those FO bids.

The list for the 787 goes pretty deep, but who knows how that will pan out once the "new car smell" wears off.

For those concerned about upgrade: DC-9 reserve captain (all bases) is running slightly more than 9 years. Wide body FO typically goes senior.

At NWA, blockholder (line holder) and reserve are actually two separate bid positions. It's nice because if you are awarded a block permanent bid, you can be assured of a line, which makes coordinating movement with commuting options that much easier. There are also temporary bids available as well, which are probably one of the last "good deals" available, especially for commuters (positive space to/from work AND free hotel).

Good luck to all those interested!

Nu

 

[Occam's Razor]

There are a total of 23 pilots bidding ANC F/O Reserve. I'd be surprised if it went more than 18-months. The junior bidder is #5027.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Things tend to pan out quite interesting when a major begins hiring after a long time as well.

I started class at DL and put in my prefence to fly the 767 (originally assigned the 88)... figuring it would take about 2-3 years. 3 months later I was in class for it.



I do remember that NWA 744 FO is on par in seniority with 757 CA.

 

[volav8r1]

One more ?

Does anyone know where I can find a copy of NWA's contract? I'm currently @ a Teamster airline without ALPA's website access.

Thanks

 

[propdog]

Things tend to pan out quite interesting when a major begins hiring after a long time as well.

I started class at DL and put in my prefence to fly the 767 (originally assigned the 88)... figuring it would take about 2-3 years. 3 months later I was in class for it.



I do remember that NWA 744 FO is on par in seniority with 757 CA.

I was thinking the same thing. NWA is hiring after a 7 year break. Movement is bound to get better as they start hiring...also don't forget the retirements and expansion.

 

[123]

Can you give me any details on the NWA cargo flights between ORD-ANC & back?
Days of the week, dep/arr times, etc. would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the cargo operation. Maybe someone else can chime in here.

I am just a lowly -9 driver that has returned from furlough (and happy to be back)!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Is the 9 year upgrade, guys who were hired 9 years ago, and you're talking calendar years, or is that figure taken the 5 years of non-hiring into effect?

In other words, a NWA guy who was hired in 1993 would be a 9 year captain, since no hiring was done in 2002/3/4/5/6.

Thanx ahead of time for the explaination!

cliff
YIP

 

[TWB]

Here are the hire dates of the bottom DC-9 captains from the latest flying bulletin dated 10/25/2007.

DTW (#4230) - 05/98
MSP (#4175) - 03/98
MEM (#4056) - 12/97

The bottom seniority number is 5332 and is a MEM reserve DC-9 F/O.

 

[NuGuy]

Hi!

Is the 9 year upgrade, guys who were hired 9 years ago, and you're talking calendar years, or is that figure taken the 5 years of non-hiring into effect?

In other words, a NWA guy who was hired in 1993 would be a 9 year captain, since no hiring was done in 2002/3/4/5/6.

Thanx ahead of time for the explaination!

cliff
YIP

Heyas ATP,

It's 9 years total. Bottom captain was hired in 98.

Nu

 

[n6604f]

Does anyone know how many classes there has been and how many until the end of the year? How many per class? Total new hires so far?

Looking forward to joining NW in a couple of months.

Thnx

 

[123]

Does anyone know how many classes there has been and how many until the end of the year? How many per class? Total new hires so far?

Looking forward to joining NW in a couple of months.

Thnx

Not sure on the exactlies, but per the HR Manager, running a class every 2 weeks with 10-12 in each class right now. Jan should see 20 in each class with the end of hiring not currently in sight.

Good Luck

 

[volav8r1]

What is reserve like at NWA on the 9. Long / Short call? Min days off? How many typical days off per month for a guy living in base (MEM)?

Also, anyone based in MEM on the 9 care to comment on what I can expect as far as trips. 1,2,3,4, or 5 days etc...?

Thanks in advance

 

[SplitBar]

Any info on the Mesaba - NWA flow thru? I head it was supposed to start in January but it seems odd that planning hasn't put out any bid for it yet. I think 3 per month start in January and in August it goes up to 9 per month. Should be interesting to see who bids to go to NWA and who elects to stay at Mesaba.

 

[IHateMgmt]

Any info on the Mesaba - NWA flow thru? I head it was supposed to start in January but it seems odd that planning hasn't put out any bid for it yet. I think 3 per month start in January and in August it goes up to 9 per month. Should be interesting to see who bids to go to NWA and who elects to stay at Mesaba.

Here's the latest from ALPA:

As a reminder to all pilots, the NWA MEC has finalized a Letter of Agreement that provides for Mesaba pilots to flow through to NWA. The final details are still being worked out, but if there is no agreement by November 1, there will be an arbitration decision by December 1 that will resolve all of the outstanding issues.

The Letter of Agreement between NWA and the NWA MEC allows for 3 Mesaba pilots to go to NWA each month, starting in January 2008, and 9 pilots each month commencing in October 2008 (provided NWA is actively hiring pilots). In light of the potentially very short period of time between finalizing and actually starting the Flow Through, our more senior pilots may be asked to determine whether they wish to flow in relatively short order. A Mesaba pilot will have ONE opportunity to accept the offer to flow.

January is fast approaching. If you are on the top part (1-150) of the Mesaba Seniority List, PLEASE BE READY TO MAKE THIS DECISION. We will, of course, continue to update you with more details as they become available.

 

[n6604f]

What is reserve like at NWA on the 9. Long / Short call? Min days off? How many typical days off per month for a guy living in base (MEM)?

Also, anyone based in MEM on the 9 care to comment on what I can expect as far as trips. 1,2,3,4, or 5 days etc...?

Thanks in advance

Did you get MEM right out of class?

when did u start?

Thnx

 

[volav8r1]

Did you get MEM right out of class?

when did u start?

Thnx

Don't start til Dec. Just trying to get a feel for what to expect. HR guy told me I could expect either DTW or MEM on the 9 with an outside chance of the 74-200 ANC. I know from people in class now that people are getting MEM while still in training.

 

[EMBpilot]

What do the retirements numbers look like at NWA, say next 10 years?

 

[Rough67]

around 200 then in about 6 yrs increases to the 300s (per yr)

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

NWA has a pecuilar way of assigning new hires.

When you are in basic indoc, some folks from crew staffing will come down and say "we have 8 slots for DC-9s and 4 slots for 747 SO". And they will call you out by seniority (age based within class) and ask you right then and there what you want.

If you get the 747, no problem, as you know you are going to ANC. But with the DC-9, you won't find out which base until a few weeks later.

Nu

 

[p3flteng]

If I understand this correctly, there is NO seat lock for newhires. Which would mean that if awarded 747 SO in ANC you could bid out of it as soon as seniority allowed, right? About how long would that take to get to DTW DC9?

 

[cargoflyr69]

If I understand this correctly, there is NO seat lock for newhires. Which would mean that if awarded 747 SO in ANC you could bid out of it as soon as seniority allowed, right? About how long would that take to get to DTW DC9?

You understand it correctly. There is a 2 year seat lock FO-FO for a bid into the 747 fo/fe, 9, or 320. its a 4 year lock into the 75,78,330,or 400. there is no lock for a CA bid. you get it when you can hold it.

DTW 9 FO is the most junior... unless they draft to the FE panel. shoulnd't be hard at all to get.

The sticky thing is alot of our guys want to say below the radar for probation, ie, not coming right back to the school house to bid another aircraft. Somthing to think about...