NWA MEC conflict?

[FightingIrish]

Northwest guys, what is going on up there? Recall votes and no confidence votes.

http://www.alpawatch.org/PDF Misc/Vote of No Confidence Recall Consideration Resolution.pdf


http://www.alpawatch.org/PDF Newsletters/October 7, 2008 SLI Update.pdf

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Redbook, greenbook, bluebook. These guys have been infighting for 20+ years. They just can't get along with anyone!

 

[jetflier]

Northwest guys, what is going on up there? Recall votes and no confidence votes.

http://www.alpawatch.org/PDF Misc/Vote of No Confidence Recall Consideration Resolution.pdf


http://www.alpawatch.org/PDF Newsletters/October 7, 2008 SLI Update.pdf

Simple,

Politics at its best! Take it or leave it, spin it any way you want to make your point... The end result is always the same, someone will feel cheated...

 

[Fly4hire]

Simple,

Politics at its best! Take it or leave it, spin it any way you want to make your point... The end result is always the same, someone will feel cheated...

Irrelevant distraction. The NWA MEC Merger Cmte Representatives are vested with full authority and control to approve or disapprove any negotiated SLI, and have the complete trust and confidence of the pilots and MEC. Naturally there are always individuals who wish they could control the process as they see fit and are frustrated that they can't. Probably the same on every MEC in ALPA to one degree or another.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Maybe we should agree to disagree and live with the arbitrators' ruling.

The one way to avoid Officers's self dealing, or even the appearance of self dealing, is to take them out of the loop. They had a chance to reach a consensus and failed to do so. Now, they would like to negotiate after they know the likely outcome of an arbitration, which does smell of special interest manipulation.

Certainly there is zero evidence of any impropriety, but given our union's not-so-good history on mergers, maybe it would be best to avoid even the opportunity for "shenanigans" as the Irish would say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vpe98B-IAM

 

[clippyrip]

The one way to avoid Officers's self dealing, or even the appearance of self dealing, is to take them out of the loop. They had a chance to reach a consensus and failed to do so. Now, they would like to negotiate after they know the likely outcome of an arbitration, which does smell of special interest manipulation.

FIN, its a rare day when we agree, I'm savoring the moment.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

As I am sure that y'all have a percentage of know it all flamethrowers, ********************throwers (whatever you want to call them) we have them too. Does not matter who the mec chair is, they want him gone. They are the ones who bitch from the bleachers and sling mud, but rarely come up with facts. One of the current leaders of this group acts like a bipolar person. One minute all is well the next minute nwalpas broken and the mec ch is performing late term abortions and worshiping the devil. You guys will get to know this individual soon when we are all on one alpa webboard. I am sure you have a few loonies also. Hope this keeps it in perspective.

Northwest guys, what is going on up there? Recall votes and no confidence votes.

http://www.alpawatch.org/PDF Misc/Vote of No Confidence Recall Consideration Resolution.pdf


http://www.alpawatch.org/PDF Newsletters/October 7, 2008 SLI Update.pdf

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA Watch = unity killers

If those ALPA Watch guys want to get involved to protect the interests of the pilots, then they should get involved in NWA ALPA itself. These shadow unions that purport to "oversee" the real unions do nothing but damage.

 

[NuGuy]

As I am sure that y'all have a percentage of know it all flamethrowers, ********************throwers (whatever you want to call them) we have them too. Does not matter who the mec chair is, they want him gone. They are the ones who bitch from the bleachers and sling mud, but rarely come up with facts. One of the current leaders of this group acts like a bipolar person. One minute all is well the next minute nwalpas broken and the mec ch is performing late term abortions and worshiping the devil. You guys will get to know this individual soon when we are all on one alpa webboard. I am sure you have a few loonies also. Hope this keeps it in perspective.

Heyas Cobra,

Yea, wasn't there a recall attempt in ATL at the beginning of this who merger process? Seems that it's not just a few NWA guys upset with the process.

It matters not. FDJ is performing his duties given to him by the DAL communications committee, and that's to keep everyone on their talking points (sort of a viral marketing ploy). This is exactly the same spin machine they had going during the contract negotiations.

Fins and the rest of the junior crowd at DAL are just whistling in the woods. You can even tell that ACL has gotten all flustered, because his normally above average grammar and spelling has gone out the window.

Nu

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Heyas Cobra,

Yea, wasn't there a recall attempt in ATL at the beginning of this who merger process? Seems that it's not just a few NWA guys upset with the process.

It matters not. FDJ is performing his duties given to him by the DAL communications committee, and that's to keep everyone on their talking points (sort of a viral marketing ploy). This is exactly the same spin machine they had going during the contract negotiations.

Fins and the rest of the junior crowd at DAL are just whistling in the woods. You can even tell that ACL has gotten all flustered, because his normally above average grammar and spelling has gone out the window.

Nu

AAAAAH, the nervousness jibberings of a junior nw guy. I love it. Keep the entertainment coming.
Remember cupcake, your union is the one with 3 separate books, not DL's.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Nu,

That's not right. Anyone who looked at the numbers would (and will) come to the same general conclusions. FDJ2 has never even suggested, or bothered to care, what most of us write about.

As for talking points, I figured them out long before the arbitration and my forecast of relative seniority, by equipment, predated any of the official prognostications - heck it even goes back to 1999 CMR/ASA/DAL.

I will now make another prognostication. The new Delta will sell, or reconfigure the ownership, of Compass and Mesaba to try to make an end run around some of the employment protection provisions sold to us as a reason to vote for the JPWA. If we fail to get Compass / Mesaba / fill in the blanks, on the list, they are going to get outside the ability of our MEC to enforce portions of section 1. As I have written before, flow-throughs do not work. This will be more proof that we can not rely on future promises of employment.

IMHO this scope crisis (yes, the DC9 flying going out is a crisis IMHO, after all the 737-700 could also get picked off by an RJ) that is what we should care more about than whether some former MEC Official gets a $200,000 a year VP position at National.

And while I'm rambling ....

Instead of waging a seniority war over who gets displaced by the DC9 flying - WHY DON'T WE FIX IT ? .... by making sure those replacement jets are flown by Delta pilots? I'd be a lot less worried about the last 500 numbers on the list if we were keeping our flying.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Flustered? No, irritated at one individual from your side that is on these boards spewing garbage. I can see he is flying so I am quite happy today.

I am not on anyone's talking points, I am looking at the facts. How DAL presented the list is how I figured it would go long before I was on the seniority list here. It makes the most sense, given the dynamics of the list.

God, has my grammar really gotten bad? I know I used the word Twit once. Sorry for the spelling, I have a little one home. I guess I have not been proof reading as well as I should.

 

[Schwanker]

Flustered? No, irritated at one individual from your side that is on these boards spewing garbage. I can see he is flying so I am quite happy today.

I am not on anyone's talking points, I am looking at the facts. How DAL presented the list is how I figured it would go long before I was on the seniority list here. It makes the most sense, given the dynamics of the list.

God, has my grammar really gotten bad? I know I used the word Twit once. Sorry for the spelling, I have a little one home. I guess I have not been proof reading as well as I should.

No-
Not flying. I'm just watching you struggle with reality. You really think the list is going to look how DALPA proposed? This really shows you're no where as connected as you portray. I know your minions love to listen to you as you keep tooting each others horns. Truth will come in just over a month.

Schwanker

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Whatever.

 

[General Lee]

No-
Not flying. I'm just watching you struggle with reality. You really think the list is going to look how DALPA proposed? This really shows you're no where as connected as you portray. I know your minions love to listen to you as you keep tooting each others horns. Truth will come in just over a month.

Schwanker

It will be a lot closer to ours than yours. Ours started with the middle ground (relative seniority) and added what your airline brings to the table, airplanes going away. Sure, you guys say you bring more cash etc, but that is all paper that will be absorbed by the airline itself, and I guess you did save them money by agreeing to all of those extra pay cuts. Is that what you guys did to add to all of that "extra" money NWA has? Come on now. We are an expanding airline with more widebodies and have higher pay per pilot. You guys have a cargo airline that will be very likely be dismantled, have some DC9s that are going to the boneyard, and have retirements that may dry up due to this financial crisis. Your incoming airplane hasn't taken off yet, and may get cancelled for 777s anyway.

To top it off, the last binding arbitration case dealt with almost the same requests, (DOH especially), and it was awarded relative seniority, with exception of the top 500 that had something AWA did not---INTL flying. What separates our two airlines? Expansion vs contraction.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Thebadcat1313]

It will be a lot closer to ours than yours. Ours started with the middle ground (relative seniority) and added what your airline brings to the table, airplanes going away. Sure, you guys say you bring more cash etc, but that is all paper that will be absorbed by the airline itself, and I guess you did save them money by agreeing to all of those extra pay cuts. Is that what you guys did to add to all of that "extra" money NWA has? Come on now. We are an expanding airline with more widebodies and have higher pay per pilot. You guys have a cargo airline that will be very likely be dismantled, have some DC9s that are going to the boneyard, and have retirements that may dry up due to this financial crisis. Your incoming airplane hasn't taken off yet, and may get cancelled for 777s anyway.

To top it off, the last binding arbitration case dealt with almost the same requests, (DOH especially), and it was awarded relative seniority, with exception of the top 500 that had something AWA did not---INTL flying. What separates our two airlines? Expansion vs contraction.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'm sure by "international flying" you were referring to Europe? AWA has had South America, Canada and Hawaii for a long time. Good post, otherwise.

 

[General Lee]

I'm sure by "international flying" you were referring to Europe? AWA has had South America, Canada and Hawaii for a long time. Good post, otherwise.

Well, I mean a large INTL presence with INTL widebodies. I know AWA had 747-200s awhile back, but since then they only went to San Jose, Costa Rica in Central America, Mexico, and some Canada. I understand what you meant, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jetflier]

It will be a lot closer to ours than yours. Ours started with the middle ground (relative seniority) and added what your airline brings to the table, airplanes going away. Sure, you guys say you bring more cash etc, but that is all paper that will be absorbed by the airline itself, and I guess you did save them money by agreeing to all of those extra pay cuts. Is that what you guys did to add to all of that "extra" money NWA has? Come on now. We are an expanding airline with more widebodies and have higher pay per pilot. You guys have a cargo airline that will be very likely be dismantled, have some DC9s that are going to the boneyard, and have retirements that may dry up due to this financial crisis. Your incoming airplane hasn't taken off yet, and may get cancelled for 777s anyway.

To top it off, the last binding arbitration case dealt with almost the same requests, (DOH especially), and it was awarded relative seniority, with exception of the top 500 that had something AWA did not---INTL flying. What separates our two airlines? Expansion vs contraction.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

NWA has been groomed for the past several years, (since 2000, Skyteam aliance) for the eventual merger with "yall. The process has been slow and deliberate to enable DOJ aproval at the end game.

Yes it is true that NWA brings with it billion$ of buck$, and an extremely profitable entity.

The resultant combination, carefully planned, is expected to be a powerhou$e as well.

 

[Fly4hire]

Now, they would like to negotiate after they know the likely outcome of an arbitration, which does smell of special interest manipulation.

Anyone who thinks they know the likely outcome of the arbitration, or thinks they will telegraph their intent in order to facilitate a negotiated settlement and is basing thier actions on that is playing Russian Roulette with their pilot groups futures.