NWA may lose AirTran jumpseat

[Ty Webb]

There have been at least 5 documented instances in the past 12 months where a NWA Capt denied an AirTran pilot a jumpseat, for no reason other than spite.

I have heard that very shortly NWA will officially have lost the jumpseat at AirTran. Zip. Nada, Zilch, as in jumpseat for all is lost due to the actions of a few d!ckheads . . . .

One of these NWA a-holes actually had the audacity to say that all of our pilots are scabs. We have 850 pilots, and maybe 50-100 of them were Eastern scabs . . . . so why should the other 750 of us put up with this crap?

CAL has way more scabs then we do . . . so does just about every other airline, so I don't want to hear any more of this crap from some lousy scum bucket who is pissed because he is now making less as a NWA DC9 captain than an AirTran 717 Captain.

Talk to your management, get a room, whatever, your love life is NOT our problem, nor our fault. Take care of your own crap, and quit blaming us, or you will be relegated to the ash heap of history very quickly.

Again, very shortly NWA will have NO jumpseat at AirTran, so plan your commute accordingly.


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[Heavy Set]

Good post. These jerks should get a life and realize that we are all in this together...

 

[justApilot]

Heavy Set....

It is funny that you said that because those 50-100 EAL SCUMBAGS at Airtran certainly didn't believe that "we are all in this together........"

 

[PCL_128]

I hope this doesn't also apply to the NW Airlink carriers (Pinnacle, Mesaba). I use Airtran to go CAK-MCO quite a bit. You guys always treat me great, and I really appreciate the rides.

Did all five of the NWA captains give the same reason for denying the jumpseat? A lot of the DC-9 guys treat us RJ drivers like crap, but I didn't know they were giving you guys a hard time also.

 

[General Lee]

I believe United actually has the most scabs.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, "Just as Pilot"-

How about the other 750 us who have the same background as everyone else in this industry? Should we all start dictating our own jumpseat policy? KIndly have the testicular fortitude to tell us who you work for, so we can consider their situation.

Should I start by denying all CAL or UAL or NWA pilots beause each have scabs? Duh, Hokay . . . . sounds reasonable to me.

How about the UPS and FEDEX guys we carry? Hmmm. Either you don;t commute, or you are just a jackass, or you need help. In any event, shut your pie hole.

 

[flx757]

One thing I think Ty may have failed to mention, is that of those 50-100 original EAL scabs that were at ValuJet/AirTran, many (if not most) have retired, and are no longer on the seniority list. But, I would like to say that I am not sure of the exact number that remains. He may have an accurate number. I was just pointing out something that came to mind.

On a more personal note, I'd like to offer up my sincere thanks to Ty for the support and kind words you issued on another board. Thanks a lot, buddy....and I hope things contiue to go well for you.

 

[justApilot]

Ty...

Maybe you no comprende my post amigo. First of all I wasn't replying to you. Second of all I was talking about the mindset of your 50-100 SCABS that your company employs/employed. Period. Thanks for the name calling.

 

[BIGBROWNDC8]

Justapilot,
All I want to know is, where can I see that girls guns drop without the black line across the goods. Someone has to know... Thanks...

 

[zonker]

The J/S coordinators at both companies need to get together and resolve the problem.

This is not the forum for it.

 

[enigma]

Justapilot,
All I want to know is, where can I see that girls guns drop without the black line across the goods. Someone has to know... Thanks...

The address was posted on the general bbs about 14 months ago. I don't remember it, but someone will.

enigma

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, you're welcome . . . . . por favor, no castigate el mono on my account.

Your message wasn't clear, but if you meant well, then sorry.

As for the NW Express guy, no, of course it isn't intended for you guys . . . . it's a special benefit reserved for for NWAssholes . . . and if they would police their own, it wouldn't be an issue for the vast majority of decent NWA pilots. Unfortunately, when you have 5 in one year, it's pretty clear it is coming from the top down, hence the action.

Again, this is not directed at the bulk of NWA guys, only the few "shaved apes" that would somehow blame us (the pilots at another airline) for their onw problems, instead of their own management.

Now, THAT'S some Kool-Aid!

 

[Ty Webb]

The J/S coordinators at both companies need to get together and resolve the problem.

This is not the forum for it.

That is being done.

However, if I was a NWA guy who depended on an AirTran flight to get to work, I would want to know, and, furthermore, Iwould want to know that a few of my guys were within a gnat's ass of losing my ride to work for me.

TW

 

[FL717]

I am not aware of any action with regards to NWA losing jumpseat privileges with us. I haven't yet spoke with Ty Webb, or anyone else as I just read this post, so he may have information that I do not currently have.

It was my understanding that we did have one of our pilots denied a NWA jumpseat purely out of spite last year, but I was led to believe that another highly embarrassed NWA crew let this pilot on their flight without any problems. I was unaware of the other 4 incidents.

With that all being said, ALL Crewmembers from other 121/135 companies that are allowed reciprical jumpseat privileges through agreements, WILL be welcome to ride my aircraft.... period. If NWA is suddenly barred from those privileges per directions from my management... then I will have to deal with that issue at that time.

As of right now... on my airplane....welcome aboard folks.

 

[Joe Peeoznotz]

Ty Wan

I have heard that very shortly NWA will officially have lost the jumpseat at AirTran. Zip. Nada, Zilch, as in jumpseat for all is lost due to the actions of a few d!ckheads . . . .

Again, very shortly NWA will have NO jumpseat at AirTran, so plan your commute accordingly.

So, when did Joe Leonard croak and leave you in charge? Try waiting till it's officially posted before stirring things up.

 

[LearLove]

Re: Ty Wan

So, when did Joe Leonard croak and leave you in charge? Try waiting till it's officially posted before stirring things up.

Exactly, I think Ty is jumping the gun here. While I don't deny the said incidents happened, we all have seen how a piticular airtran guy on this board responds to anything negative about his airline.

The same way another member, who will GENERALy remain nameLEEss responds to anything negative about song or delta and very similar to the reactions of several jetblu members that think thier airlines' sh!t always smells like roses. Get my drift.

BTW, at my very own airline we have several A-hole like catps. that for awhile have been denying U mainline, CHQ, Mesa and some other guys the JS because of whats happening around here to us WO guys. However at no time has this put our JS status in a bad state with the other airlines. These other affected airlines understand that in every group there are always bound to several a-holes, but they are above taking it out on the larger group as a hole. This was direct from our JS coordinator guy who has delt with many of these issues.

The worst that will probibly come of this is the NWA JS coodinator will talk with the NWA capts that tossed the Airtran guys. If said NWA guys remain adamint on tossing Airtran guys then maybe the NWA JS coodinator will foward the said captains names' to the airtran JS guy and if an occasion so hould arise when said NWA capt needs to JS on Airtran then maybe the named NWA capt won't get a ride.

 

[G4G5]

Were those 5 documented cases Eastern SCAB?

WIth 100 out of 850 pilots that is 12% of your total work force. SO, 1 in every 10 Airtran pilots is a Scab. That's a higher ratio then any major (CAL) or any airline I can think of.

Maybe these NWA captains fly to a former Easter base like ATL-MSP or MIA-MSP and they get exposed to a higher percentage of former Eastern Scabs. If you assume that most of the Eastern Scabs probably live in a former Eastern Hub town (commuting to a Nat Guard town like MSP) . Then it's easy to see how the NWA pilots could be seeing twice the 12% or 25%. One in 4 Scabs would be too high a number for my liking. It gets old checking that list.

If none of the cases are former Scabs then they could just be a bunch of knuckleheads and need to be treated as such for abusing the JS privelage.

My point is. It does not pay to get wrapped around the axel until you have all the data.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Throw out the baby with the bathwater...

I personally know quite a few NW pilots (who also commute), and I'm sure they're ticked about some Captains attempting to ruin it for everyone, so in that respect, I'm VERY glad that Ty brought this issue up here.

I DO NOT believe in just making ALL NW pilots lose the JS priveledge because of the actions of a few (but many do think this way because they've been a victim of this). Often, I seen that some guys that don't commute tend to be less than understanding to the life a commuter leads.

If you deny someone a jumpseat, you'd better give them a reason:

1. Inappropriate attire
2. You're that NW Capt that keeps denying AirTran guys the jumpseat
3. You treated my F/As like crap
4. You smell
5. Someone at your company was a scab, so I'm making YOU pay for it???

Before we jump to conclusions, do these NW Capt's have legitimate reasons behind what they're doing, or, like Ty suggests, are they just Bu++heads. Probably need to know what the deal is with the jumpseaters, because, as we all have see/heard, some of these pilots don't have a repectful bone in their body!

 

[ASApuppy]

Not to start a flame war here, but maybe it has to do with Airtran charging for the J/S. I don't think very highly of this practice. I don't commute, but if I had to shell out $25 to get home when I just carried an Airtran guy home on my last leg for free, I'd be pretty ticked. I know that the policy says the first J/S is free, but I've heard too many stories of the only J/S getting charged. Here comes my flame..... I think Airtran should be OFF every list until they convince management to offer it for free. Yes, it's negotable and we all have it.

 

[G4G5]

They charge $25? Is this true?

Since when do we charge other airline pilots for the Jump Seat?
If that is the case I agree with the ASA pilot let Lenord have a few of his guys start missing flights and then see what happens. The Airtran guys should be able to tell mgt, No you can't charge for the JS. If I just flew an Airtran guy home for nothing and then had to pay $25 to commute home I'd be pissed too.

I know at AA my own airline charges me but we never charge other airline pilots.