NWA looking at E-jets

[lowecur]

I can just imagine Lowecur sitting at his computer, reading all the doom and gloom hitting pilots left and right. Hey, it beats working for a living. He’s got his thong pulled straight up his muscled arz, biceps bulging and shirtless, 190 tatooed just above his arz, and blue Oakley's on. What a sight! He’s got Aviation Daily on one screen, Flight Info on another and a centerfold of the EMB190 in the backdrop. There he goes, reaching for another scoop of icecream which sits next to the computer in a one gallon jar. Just imagine if he had a microphone sitting on top of the screen and we all could tune into his soothing little world, this is what you would hear;



"Roxanne, you don't have to put on your redlight. Rooooxanne, you don't have to put on your redlight."



Muffled



From far away, possibly downstairs…



Doorbell......Mailman....just dropped off my monthly investment statement.....Time to head to the bank.

.....

 

[balls deep340]

70 seaters

Regarding NWA pilots flying 70 seaters.


How do they plan to do that economically? Market dictates - so far mainline pay rates are too restrictive when considering other employees that are not pilots. ie:mechanics, FA, cleaners, gater agents and bag smashers.

Therefore NWA with no 70 seaters will not be able to bring more business to the hub or begin new and profitable point to point service. Without this new growth NWA will remain stagnant.

In other words you protect your jobs so much that you screw your company and in turn screw yourselves. How does this make sense. AWA uses another company to fly 90 seaters and now they have lots of growth at mainline, and are hiring.

What I think will happen is that the MEC isn't stupid and they will release scope but only with a J4J provison. Hopefully the Airlinks let you have a J4J deal as long as you come in at the bottom of the seniority list.

 

[320AV8R]

I can just imagine Lowercur sitting at his computer, reading all the doom and gloom hitting pilots left and right. He’s got his thong pulled down to his ankles, draped around his black socks pulled up to his knees, T-shirt on, New Kids on the block on one side, EMB on the other. He’s got Aviation Daily on one screen, Flight Info on another and a centerfold of the EMB190 in the backdrop. There he goes, reaching for another scoop of Vaseline which sits next to the computer in a one gallon jar. Just imagine if he had a microphone sitting on top of the screen and we all could tune into his pathetic little world, this is what you would hear;



“Oh yea…… Jet Blue pilots taking it up the …….yea……86 an hour.. ooh I love it….. look at my stock price…. Move baby move……NWA looking at EMB’s….sweet… oh yea…. Stick it to them at 90 bucks an hour…… ooh yah…. My message on flightinfo….. how can I get these pilots to believe they are all worthless?…keep posting.......AA pilots gonna be next....caving in…. oh yea… the big three… I’m close….”



Muffled



From far away, possibly downstairs…



“Lowecur, mommy’s home, come downstairs, I brought another crewmeal from work; the pilot’s only ate half of it!”



“.ok Mom, I’m……coming………………”


muffled.... zip... click, click

“what kind of airplane did you clean today mommy?”

C77MD80-

You're hilarious!!!!!

320AV8R

 

[Beerme]

Regarding NWA pilots flying 70 seaters.


How do they plan to do that economically? Market dictates - so far mainline pay rates are too restrictive when considering other employees that are not pilots. ie:mechanics, FA, cleaners, gater agents and bag smashers.

Who says we have to have mainline mechanics, cleaners, gate agents , etc...Mainline agents already work both mainline AND Airlink flights. Could be the other way around...Airlink mechanics, who are already trained on CRJ's work on all CRJ's, Airlink gate agents work both flights, cleaners clean both aircraft, etc. Whatever you can negotiate.

Therefore NWA with no 70 seaters will not be able to bring more business to the hub or begin new and profitable point to point service. Without this new growth NWA will remain stagnant.

WRONG! If mainline gives in to releasing the 70 seaters, we will remain stagnant...with them, we have growth.


In other words you protect your jobs so much that you screw your company and in turn screw yourselves. How does this make sense. AWA uses another company to fly 90 seaters and now they have lots of growth at mainline, and are hiring.

Lots of growth at mainline...I think that's stretching it. Just think how much more growth they'd have in AWA kept 90 seaters on their property!

What I think will happen is that the MEC isn't stupid and they will release scope but only with a J4J provison. Hopefully the Airlinks let you have a J4J deal as long as you come in at the bottom of the seniority list.

Your right, our MEC isn't stupid, but we'll never release scope! NEVER! And we won't need a J4J provision because the aircraft will be on OUR property. Your bottom of seniority list comment shows why your still driving a Saab.

 

[balls deep340]

Your right, our MEC isn't stupid, but we'll never release scope! NEVER! And we won't need a J4J provision because the aircraft will be on OUR property. Your bottom of seniority list comment shows why your still driving a Saab.

Spoken like a true NWA burnout. The reason I still dive a saab is because I am 27 years old. You need to look at the bigger picture. If you get those planes your employees have certain rights to work on them. For instance, Mechanics have the rights to work on them only 38% of maint. can be farmed out. Do you think with all the mechanics on the streets they will agree to farm out that maint. to the regionals. A 5 year mechanic makes 35/hr.

The market has spoken regionals alone can fly 70 seaters not high labor at mainline. I hate to break this to you but your MGMT are actually the ones that call the shots and in the end they will win.

If you do fly 70 seaters it is because you will work for mesa wages and sell out the rest of your non furlough pilots with big time pay cuts.

The J4J is the only realistic option unfortunatley. That is why you offered 9E and XJ a flow agreement that is probably worthless.

 

[Beerme]

Spoken like a true NWA burnout.

Whatever that means???

If you get those planes your employees have certain rights to work on them. For instance, Mechanics have the rights to work on them only 38% of maint. can be farmed out. Do you think with all the mechanics on the streets they will agree to farm out that maint. to the regionals.

I'm not negotiating for the mechanics...they have to take care of themselves.

The market has spoken regionals alone can fly 70 seaters not high labor at mainline.

I just read the ALPA proposal to mgt, and it spells out how we can competitively operate these acft. I'd tell you how, but nah, I'd rather leave you in the dark and let you find out after the fact.


I hate to break this to you but your MGMT are actually the ones that call the shots and in the end they will win.

They can't call any shots concerning 70 seaters because we ALREADY OWN 'EM...we paid for the scope in our '98 contract. So if mgt wants 'em , they'll have to bargain for 'em...with us flying them. Simple enough for you to understand?

If you do fly 70 seaters it is because you will work for mesa wages and sell out the rest of your non furlough pilots with big time pay cuts.

All the furloughed guys I've talked with would be happy to get back in the saddle flying a 70 seater at industry wages. Those that found a higher paying job, or just don't want to fly it, can always by-pass recall.

The J4J is the only realistic option unfortunatley. That is why you offered 9E and XJ a flow agreement that is probably worthless.

You can guess about the flow thru, I haven't seen it. You always have the option to stay on your Saab.

 

[General Lee]

This is starting to sound a lot like the Delta vs Comair/ASA posts.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[balls deep340]

Beerme I guess what I am trying to say is that I just don't see it making economical sense for Mainline to fly Crjs. Insulting me by talking about my aircraft is like talking about a mans woman. Have you no shame. Thats why I called you a burnout and true to form you were clueless as to why.

I guess my MBA may be worthless and hope you are correct and you will be flying those crjs but, I just saw the proposal that the MEC wants a "Flow up" for XJ and I assumed the worst as in they want J4J. Why else would your MEC give up extensive negotiating captial to give us a flow up? Maybe cause DW is sick of the whip sawing or out the goodness of your heart you want us to have a shot at NWA.

Well the majority of us don't want to work for NWA anyway so thats fine waste all your negotiations prowess to get us a flow up but don't expect anything in return.

As for me I'm off to AirTran. No more red tails, no more grumpy gate agents, etc.

peace