Nwa Hiring

[Noserider76]

And why should 757 get 16% and 320 get less than half that %?

The same guys fly the 757 and 767 here and they both pay the 767 rate. Your 757 was paying a narrowbody rate and was brought up to the 767 rate resulting in a bigger raise.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

FIN;
On the AE front. There will be a few before SOC. The million dollar question is whether there will be bases for us in the current NWA bases, and NWA bases in our current bases. It goes with out saying that a lot of our lift is going to be shifted here in the next six months. They are trying to figure out the details of how to do it. If they do an AE with 7ER in DTW, MSP and SEA I am sure that SEA will be senior and DTW and MSP would go junior.
Likewise, I am sure that the NWA guys would jump on an ATL 744 bid. Needless to say there are interesting times ahead.

They are trying to delay the current AE as long as possible so that there can be some significant backfill on it. The longer the better.
Also they have finalized the summer 09 schedule. Now they are going to all of the department heads to see if they can support it. We stated yes, but we would need to hire for it. Stay tuned. The DGS guys think that we will hire in late fall, the others, early next year. Either way there should be new guys coming in before SOC. If this happens on both sides it is a good thing for all of us.

 

[DTW320]

The same guys fly the 757 and 767 here and they both pay the 767 rate. Your 757 was paying a narrowbody rate and was brought up to the 767 rate resulting in a bigger raise.

BS. The old lame argument that won't die. Prior to JPWA your 767 paid 10% more than our 757 and at NWA the 757 paid less than 4% more than A320. Under the JPWA 757 pays 8% more than A320.

Many NWA No voters voted so because of the inequity of the raises by category.

 

[NuGuy]

BS. The old lame argument that won't die. Prior to JPWA your 767 paid 10% more than our 757 and at NWA the 757 paid less than 4% more than A320. Under the JPWA 757 pays 8% more than A320.

Many NWA No voters voted so because of the inequity of the raises by category.

Heyas DTW,

Forget it. This guys motivation for this argument is clear. He feels that they "saved us", either as an operating concern (who had a consistently better operational profit?) or because of a slight improvement due to the JPWA, ignoring that they got their own LOA19 gains already because of the merger as well.

He's looking for a "payback" at the arbitration.

Delta hubris, nothing more.

Nu

 

[Noserider76]

BS. The old lame argument that won't die. Prior to JPWA your 767 paid 10% more than our 757 and at NWA the 757 paid less than 4% more than A320. Under the JPWA 757 pays 8% more than A320.

Many NWA No voters voted so because of the inequity of the raises by category.

Sorry to harsh your mellow. I see what you mean. In order for DL guys to get the published 5% raise the 757/767 had to go from $160 to $168 which resulted in $144 to $168 for the NWA guys.

It looks like the question should be, "why wasn't the 320/319 brought up to 737/7/8/9 rates?, which would have been 16% for you as well. I don't know the answer to that either but my guess is that since the 319 is 45% of the fleet they decided to go with the lower number.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Could we put this in the past tense...as it should be?

Set new goals, then work to achieve them.

TOGETHER

 

[NuGuy]

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[Superpilot92]

Could we put this in the past tense...as it should be?

Set new goals, then work to achieve them.

TOGETHER

I am in

 

[~~~^~~~]

FIN;
On the AE front. There will be a few before SOC. The million dollar question is whether there will be bases for us in the current NWA bases, and NWA bases in our current bases. It goes with out saying that a lot of our lift is going to be shifted here in the next six months. They are trying to figure out the details of how to do it. If they do an AE with 7ER in DTW, MSP and SEA I am sure that SEA will be senior and DTW and MSP would go junior.
Likewise, I am sure that the NWA guys would jump on an ATL 744 bid. Needless to say there are interesting times ahead.

They are trying to delay the current AE as long as possible so that there can be some significant backfill on it. The longer the better.
Also they have finalized the summer 09 schedule. Now they are going to all of the department heads to see if they can support it. We stated yes, but we would need to hire for it. Stay tuned. The DGS guys think that we will hire in late fall, the others, early next year. Either way there should be new guys coming in before SOC. If this happens on both sides it is a good thing for all of us.

Yes, that is what I'm curious about.

The 787 can't be that far away either, 18 months, maybe. I just saw NWA/DAL's a day ago. It should be performing certification flying this fall. Yet, I've not heard a peep about it.

New bases would open seat locks and relocation packages on both sides, and it is probable that there will be some very large displacements around SOC time. Surely management wants to avoid pilots in training and stuff in moving vans.

As you pointed out, I think they could do indoc on a CD and give a pilot the full training course before SOC. Why not? As much as we junior pilots would like the idea of a SEA777B, or ATL787B (for NWA folks), avoiding out of seniority moves would benefit everyone in the long run.

Avoid hopping the bus to Boeing during the KSEA overnights. There are reported cases of SJS all over the 787 final assembly area.

 

[NuGuy]

Avoid hopping the bus to Boeing during the KSEA overnights. There are reported cases of SJS all over the 787 final assembly area.

Hehe, avoid the 787 sim/FTD area at NATCO as well. They finally had to put a sign up that said "go away" to shoo the gawkers away so the Thales people could get to work.

You can still see the drool stains on the carpet, though.

Nu

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Though it would be nice to sit in a 787, I will be happy with the 767 I am currently flying for quite some time.

 

[~~~^~~~]

ACL: Careful, I was OK until I noticed the overhead panel is a cleaned up version of the 767's, with everything people like about the 75. Then I looked at the FO's HUD and the fever started. The only cure, I'm told, is a four day trip in and out of JFK with a divert and re-route on a red eye go home leg. Some have had success with a large dosage of Volume II.

If Superpilot is exposed, I'm not sure he will recover.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Quite funny.
Really I do not care what I fly as long as there is a large steady paycheck there for my family.

 

[Meiguy]

Hey ACL. On that AE thats up in the air. Are they talking about pushing it back to Novemberish or you talking maybe next month?

 

[General Lee]

Hehe, avoid the 787 sim/FTD area at NATCO as well. They finally had to put a sign up that said "go away" to shoo the gawkers away so the Thales people could get to work.

You can still see the drool stains on the carpet, though.

Nu

Did they get it on THALE? Are you a THILLY THALLY?


Bye Bye--General Lee
(yes, I do know Thales is the company that made the sim) ;0